No. They would not demand an Orthodox Jewish woman to cater an event that serves pork.

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Why would someone demand an establishment serve something that isn't on their menu? Can we come up with a better example?

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The question still stands.

Why would someone demand that a caterer do something contrary to their religious beliefs?

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Can you point to where Jesus said Thou shall not serve Chicken Parm to homos?

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Douchebag makes the point about why a law or no law gets argued. It may be an outlandish example but it is possible. Either way my larger issue is that this is more than just the gay issues which seems to be the main thing being discussed here and elsewhere.

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Can a christian establishment legally refuse now to sell to Muslims?
So if you live in the Lakemoor equivalent in Indiana, and you're a Muslim, and the shop in town refuses to sell to you, you might have to drive 20 miles go get a gallon of milk? Or some food? Or gas?

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That's not what the caterer is saying. And you know that.

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That is what is so weird to me. I always assumed if you had an essential service like you point out you cannot refuse anyone. But a bakery refusing to make a cake? For the record I am against the stupid anti marriage laws/ideas.

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Directly asked, since you've been avoiding me in this thread...

Would Jesus refuse to break bread with a homosexual?

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No for me.

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I'm of the opinion that people that are truly religious, truly christian, would abhor this law as it's using religion to justify bigotry.

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Darkside, I believe it goes deeper than your question though. I do believe Jesus would break bread as scripture has indicated happened in several instances. However the other side of the coin is this, while Jesus was found to go reach out to those that were outcast for various reasons including sin...there was encouragement to sin no more. Homosexuality is seen in scripture as sin...as are a multitude of other things such as lying with a woman on her period, spilling of seed, etc...It's not that Jesus avoided those in sin rather there was encouragement from Jesus to walk away from that sin.

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What better way to reach out to others than to serve them...true Christians would acknowledge that all sin and fall short of the glory of God.

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Just to take this to it's inevitable ridiclousness, shouldn't these businesses also be refusing to do business with other sinners? Since as masturbators and anyone with redwings? Similar to copyright law (which requires you to fight minor copyright infringements even if you really don't think it's necessary in order to protect your right to litigate against serious infringements)... if you don't refuse business to all sinners should you lose your right to refuse business to a sinner of your choice?

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This is what I'm getting at. We're picking and choosing which sins we're refusing to do business with. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that a bakery refuses to sell a dozen donuts to a glutton. Would that be fair game according to this law? And if so... is that right? Should the baker try to convince the glutton to sin less (read: eat less) and if so, is that appropriate modern behavior?

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The article explained the difference.

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Not saying I hold this position...but I suppose the argument that while those are all in sins, homosexuality would be considered being in a state of sin that is not seeking repentance while the others may want to stop etc...again not saying I hold that belief. But yes, I could refuse business to a liar, a divorcee (unless allowed under the Moses provision), a Catholic who eats meat on Friday. It becomes a slippery slope. While I sympathize with the business person who doesn't want to perform a service against their belief system..it really isn't a black and white situation in some cases (no pun intended).

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My guess for the reason for the caterer not serving a gay wedding isn't based upon not serving a sinner. It is more likely based upon being REQUIRED to serve at a wedding that is contrary to what Christ set forth as a marriage. And therefore, contrary to their faith.

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Have you actually read the Kentucky law or not?

Since you referenced it, can you cite it?

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Now this is becoming fascinating to me. OK, a Catholic who eats meat on Friday may be a sinner, but would other religions? Now, say, again for the sake of argument, that the gas station owners, who at least in my area are largely Islamic, find you to be in a state of sin for not facing east and praying 5 times a day. As you would be living in a state of sin, in their eyes, would it be fair for them to refuse to sell you gas, and force you to drive god who knows 20-30 miles to fill up every time you need? I mean, there's places in INdiana when you might not see a gas station for 50 miles.

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What if Darkos gas station guys refuse to sell Slim Jims or similar sausage type thing that are some form of pork? Do I have a right to a slim jim?

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No, sinner.

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As I go back and look at what I typed and see your response...I think I realize my error. It's not that you shouldn't have to serve those that are against your beliefs...but rather in the course of serving them you shouldn't have to be brought into going against your beliefs yourself...geez I need to get some sleep...sorry to be so confusing.

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You were making the argument that other states had this exact law. I just showed that to be incorrect. If you are trying to argue that Kentucky's law is the same, then the burden of proof is on you.

Or you can discredit an article with which you don't agree.

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I may be uneducated about this subject but can't any business put up a sign saying they reserve the right not to serve anyone? That covers it doesn't it. Really haven't followed this story until tonight. Discrimination sucks at any level anyway.

OK, now this is more the meat and taters of the argument... you shouldn't have to be brought into going against your beliefs...
If that were what was happening here I would tend to agree with that statement.
But... a cameraman photographing a gay wedding isn't being forced to go against his beliefs... I mean, he doesn't have to have sex with these guys, he's just taking their picture.

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I posted a few articles earlier highlighting the differences.