This isn't a criticism of either Breaking Bad or Better Call Saul as I love both shows, but there are cartoonish elements that Mad Men and The Wire don't have. Those aspects keep them from building the same kind of emotional power that you find in Mad Men and The Wire.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

I have generally avoided this thread, as I continually seem to be 1-2 seasons behind, which is a shame, since I miss material like this.

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-Hank Kingsley

right...and i think it's fair to point out that "breaking bad" and "better call saul" aren't exactly trying to evoke emotional power. they're more entertaining.

i hope "mad men" ends appropriately.

I'm not even sure what an appropriate ending would be.

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I started to watch the ep last night, but they did a piss poor job recapping last season so I stopped. I had the forsight to record the final ep from last season earlier in the day so I guess I will watch that first.

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Appropriate ending for me would be Peggy and Pete getting married and raising their kid.



As for the other characters, I really couldn't care less. My only hope for Don is that he gets liver disease/lung cancer and dies young and alone. I can't stand him on the show and feel like hitting the fast forward button half the time a scene is about him.

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The state took Peggy's baby away almost ten years ago. Surely, the baby has been adopted and has a happy home.

I don't know what to make of the way Don sees the dead: his brother, Anna, Bertram, and now Rachel (albeit in a dream). The prevailing theory is that they're hallucinations from one affliction (syphilis) or another (brain cancer), which I'm not crazy about, but I'm also not crazy about the idea of Don Draper having supernatural powers. I'd prefer to think that it's a representation of how we all imagine ourselves to talk to the dead (and to be fair, Don had no idea Rachel was dead when he dreamed of her), and it's only because Don is one of the show's two leads that we're treated to this deeper exploration of his psyche.

Sad to see Roger turn into a pawn of McCann, firing Ken like that, but at least he's rocking the villain mustache.

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Having Don die of lung cancer is after-school-special hackery leagues beneath the show. AND THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T SMOKE OR HAVE LOTS OF SEX, KIDS.

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Between this show and Game of Thrones last night was Must Snooze TV.

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Yeah, last night's episode left me feeling empty, no pun intended. It made me really hate Megan, which was too bad, because I had always liked her.

We need more Sally Draper, stat.

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Why would you hate Megan? What did she do?

last night just reinforced my long standing opinion that the worst part of the show is Don Draper's personal life and any episodes that focus on that suck balls. Draper bores the shit out of me when he's doing anything other than doing an Ad pitch.

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Didn't like the way she broke bad on Don. Just came off really bratty.

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I just watched last nights episode. I'm not feeling the Don & the waitress thing. Not sure what the point is. I love this show but I hope they step it up soon with only 5 episodes left.

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Great episode tonight. Many segments centering around Children. I have no idea where this is going. Who goes to California? Does Don come out as Dick Whitman?

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One of the best tonight. Great, great stuff.

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I just cant make any sense of the Waitress Diana storyline. I don't know what to make of it. Don and the others went to the bar to drink after the failed rally the troops office speech by Don & Roger, & everyone has someone to go home to but Don...so he goes to Diana's apartment only to find 2 gay guys now living there. They ask Don to come in for a drink & the scene ends with the door closing. We don't know if Don went in for a drink or not. Did Diana commit suicide? Will she emerge in a future episode as a key figure?
Just like the end of Breaking Bad, Mad Men is throwing us curve balls & sliders & we have no clue which way things will go.

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Breaking Bad tied up every loose end. Mad Men is a far different kind of show. I get the feeling a lot of people are going to be left disappointed with the ending.

Draper can't just get what he wants through good looks, force of personality, and white maleness anymore. The world has changed and he's confused by it. Even his attempts at the fashions of the time are halfhearted when compared with the other men on the show.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Yea. Don was rejected and shut down a few time in last nights episode.

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I truly hope this Diana character's role is completed now and she has no significant impact in how Don's story culminates.

Last night's was the best episode of the season so far. Read a good review about how each of these episodes has ended with a scene depicting how Don has lost something.

Ep1 - Scene of him alone in the diner pondering how he'd lost his past.

Ep2 - Alone in his apartment how he'd lost his stuff and his marriage.

Ep3 - Alone in the hallway how he'd lost his apartment.

Ep4 - Not alone but standing there silent while everyone walks away and he'd lost his agency.

Also, interesting how Don has really lost his ability to command a room. People just don't listen to him any longer. It's been pointed out a number of times already in the last few episodes. I think the next thing he loses is the name Don Draper - foreshadowed in this episode when he says to Roger "What's in a name?"

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You know me like that.

I believe that Diana said she was from Racine. I could see Don going to Racine & finding Diana there on a farm & Don becomes Dick Whitman & lives happily ever after with her.

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I hatehatehatehatehate the fan theory that the series has to end with Don Draper defenestrating himself because omg da creditz, but I love the fan theory that the show has to end with "The Boxer" by Simon & Garfunkel, because that's my favorite Simon & Garfunkel song.

On another music note, the commercials were bringing it: "You Don't Know Me" by Regina Spektor and Ben Folds for Nationwide, and "Act Like You Know" by Fat Larry's Band (THE BEST SONG IN VICE CITY) for some game called Farm Heroes.

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I think it's pretty clear that the falling man is a metaphor. First for Draper specifically, but in a larger sense for the white American male who struggled through the Depression and then won World War II and made the United States the most powerful nation the world had seen since probably the Roman Empire. In a lot of ways, my dad was Don Draper. Before this show I never thought much about the way my father must have seen the world. All of a sudden people were questioning these men who had never been questioned before. The whole world as they knew it was sliding out from underneath them. Peggy (and to a lesser degree the black secretaries) is the other side of that story. But the interesting thing is that Draper is falling much faster than they are rising.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

I told you Don was going to Racine.

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That was so uncomfortable to watch. It's like they've all walked into the jaws of hell.

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Most of them deserve it.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Joan had it worst of all, but hey, she got $250,000 and got away. Bad things are going to happen to Don, deservedly.

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Deus.

Ex.

Machina.


All I got to say is, if the plot twist skews the Don storyline, then Matthew Weiner can go fuck himself.

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Not a mult.

Boy, that was rough.

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I havent watched it yet. Will do so when the Hockey game is over. I have no idea why Don is going to St. Paul...but I want things to end well for him.

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