I don't think the NRA thinks that. I could see how someone might get that impression not knowing them first hand, only based on, say MSN.com type articles.

oh come on. they are nothing but a lobbying organization for gun manufacturers. they would make it a requirement every newborn is supplied with a gun if they could. dont be naive.

Many that is true, but an incomplete statement.

That's silly.

youre silly, rabbit. trix are for kids

Many that is true, but an incomplete statement.

I expect W_Z to be wearing a t-shirt with this on it at Lakemoor Fest this year.

Actually, Darkside should provide them for everyone.

There's plenty of home invasions. There was one in Crystal Lake a few months ago, where a young man shot someone who was there to as I recall it harm his sister. Might have saved her life.
I also recall the Wilmette one a few years back as well... that one was related to someone that broke in a few days earlier and stole a spare set of keys (while the family was on vacation) and the perp returned.
I myself own several weapons. A shotgun for fowl hunting, a shotgun for deer hunting, a pistol for personal protection/hobby shooting. Mainly used for the purpose of hobby shooting. I find going to a range a shit ton of fun.
It's not to get my dick hard. I get that done without needing a weapon or a car or anything else. It's a choice in hobby, and, in my opinion, a particularly useful skill to work on.
Some guys build cars that can go from 0-60 in 3 seconds. Or that have a top speed over 160 miles an hour. Will they ever need to obtain those speeds? No. But building it and accomplishing it can be a shit ton of fun.
No one really needs to do whatever their hobby is. Because that's what a hobby is. Something you don't need to do but you do because it's something you find entertaining and fun and get something out of on a personal level.

I hope you know I wasn't being sarcastic. If that's your thing I really do not care.

But it is a hobby.

Many that is true, but an incomplete statement.

Many that is true, but an incomplete statement.

I've lived in Chicago for nearly all my life and I have never (NOT ONCE) had someone even come close to breaking into my house with malicious intent. Same goes for my few year stint in Oregon. I'm not even sure I even know anyone who's had a close call. Just doesn't happen, people are not really interested in your shit.

Though, it seems like the break-ins almost always happen while they know people aren't home. I don't know of any break-ins while people were home. They normally ring the doorbell first.

i dont mind gun ownership on private property out in the country... but in the city its simply too close proximity to your neighbors. you shoot and you have no idea who that bullet might end up in.

Doesn't seem to stop the gangbangers thought process.

Doesn't seem to stop the gangbangers thought process.

its proven in other countries that if you outlaw guns you can keep them from the bad guys too.

you dont see gangbangers throwing bombs around. theres a reason for that. hard to make? hardly. labeled a terrorist and sent to the hole for life? yep. so they dont use bombs.

Id say that logic is a little specious but ok.

almost ever home invasion i have ever heard of has been someone the family knows

Not sure if they knew each other. From todays Trib.

Romeoville resident struck a man who was robbing his home early Sunday morning before physically restraining him until the police arrived, according to Romeoville police officials.

Joshua Ziebarth, 19, of Romeoville, was charged with one count of home invasion and two counts of residential burglary after the incident, police officials said.


Police said the intruder entered the home in the 100 block of Yarrow Court about 4:30 a.m. through an unlocked door on an attached garage.

Romeoville Police Commander John Ferdinardo said a married couple with a child were sleeping at the time, but the husband got up after hearing a noise in the house. The husband then spotted the intruder who was holding a knife and hit him on the head with a souvenir bowling pin.

Ferdinardo said the husband was then able to physically restrain the man until police arrived at the scene.

"The family was pretty shaken up," Ferdinardo said. "They did not suffer any injuries."

Ziebarth is expected to appear in bond court Monday Give everyone bowling pins I guess.

Not sure if they knew each other. From todays Trib.

Romeoville resident struck a man who was robbing his home early Sunday morning before physically restraining him until the police arrived, according to Romeoville police officials.

Joshua Ziebarth, 19, of Romeoville, was charged with one count of home invasion and two counts of residential burglary after the incident, police officials said.


Police said the intruder entered the home in the 100 block of Yarrow Court about 4:30 a.m. through an unlocked door on an attached garage.

Romeoville Police Commander John Ferdinardo said a married couple with a child were sleeping at the time, but the husband got up after hearing a noise in the house. The husband then spotted the intruder who was holding a knife and hit him on the head with a souvenir bowling pin.

Ferdinardo said the husband was then able to physically restrain the man until police arrived at the scene.

"The family was pretty shaken up," Ferdinardo said. "They did not suffer any injuries."

Ziebarth is expected to appear in bond court Monday Give everyone bowling pins I guess.

Its hard to find stats. Most of them are Home Security websites pimping their products.

perfect example where a gun wasnt needed and also an example of why men matter

Many that is true, but an incomplete statement.

And if he were away on business that week and mom was home alone... would you think she should take down an intruder with a bowling pin or would you rather, if that were your wife, she had herself a .38 or something like that?

what ifs are awesome

Many that is true, but an incomplete statement.

NRA is big on training and safety.

Kansas to join states allowing concealed guns without permit

TOPEKA, Kan. (AP) — Kansas is poised to join a handful of other states that allow their residents to carry concealed firearms without a permit after the Legislature gave final approval Wednesday to a bill backed by the National Rifle Association.

The measure was headed to Republican Gov. Sam Brownback despite some lawmakers' misgivings about the state dropping its requirement that anyone seeking to carry a concealed firearm undergo at least eight hours of training. Brownback's office didn't say what his plans are, but he's signed every other major gun-rights measure sent to him since taking office in January 2011.

Kansas would become the fifth state to allow concealed carry without a permit everywhere within its borders, according to the NRA.

"Carrying a gun is a lifestyle," said Republican Rep. Travis Couture-Lovelady. "The government should trust its citizens."

The House approved the bill Wednesday on an 85-39 vote. The Senate passed it last month, but a House committee made a technical change that senators had to review. The Senate signed off, 31-8, about two hours after the House's vote.

The House also approved, 100-24, a bill prohibiting cities and counties from imposing special fees and taxes on guns or gun sales. It would follow up on a law last year aimed at nullifying local restrictions and goes to the Senate.

All states allow some form of concealed carry, but the NRA says only Alaska, Arizona, Vermont and Wyoming allow it everywhere in the state without a permit, though Montana allows it without a permit outside of cities, which is most of the state. In West Virginia, lawmakers passed a bill, but Democratic Gov. Earl Ray Tomblin vetoed it.

The Republican-dominated Kansas Legislature has strong gun-rights majorities in both chambers, and Senate Majority Leader Terry Bruce was the bill's leading sponsor. The NRA joined the Kansas State Rifle Association in pushing for it, while the state chapter of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence sought to block it.

Kansas enacted its concealed carry law in 2006 and about 87,000 people 21 and older hold valid permits. A person seeking a permit must pay $132.50 in fees besides undergoing the eight hours of firearms training.

State law has long allowed people to carry firearms openly without requiring training, and backers of the bill said gun owners have shown they are responsible with their firearms.

"Kansans already have two documents granting them the right to concealed carry — the Constitution of the United States and the Kansas Constitution," Couture-Lovelady said. "That should be all they need."

Even if the bill is enacted, the state would continue to issue permits so that its residents could carry concealed in other states recognizing the Kansas permit.

But even some gun-rights supporters said they were nervous about no longer requiring training for everyone who wants to carry concealed. House Minority Leader Tom Burroughs, a Kansas City Democrat, said that in continually lessening restrictions in Kansas lawmakers are "getting caught up in extremism."

And Rep. John Wilson, a Lawrence Democrat, said: "I have concerns with the type of culture that we're creating, when guns are in more places, particularly among children."

I am not a legal expert, how many times do I have to say it?

Many that is true, but an incomplete statement.

Many that is true, but an incomplete statement.