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 Post subject: Re: Rodon Called Up
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A team's best hitter does not hit cleanup.

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A team's best hitter does not hit cleanup.



A team's best hitter often does bat clean-up.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
IMU wrote:
A team's best hitter does not hit cleanup.


A team's best hitter often does bat clean-up.

Is Adam LaRoche the Sox best hitter? Martin Prado on the Marlins? Matt Joyce on the Angels? Morneau on the Rockies?

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There is no real difference between Rodon's situation and Bryant's. There is a difference in perception, the Sox got a pass and the Cubs got raked through the coals.

Which is funny because the Sox are run like a Daley Administration with tons of neighborhood cronyism and patronage filling their staff while the Cubs are modern sport's shining example of lies-without-borders Washington-style image mocking. How is it the Cubs were saddled with the BAD OPTICS?



That's not true though. As I said, Bryant had dominated the minors for a full year and then dominated spring training. Rodon had limited minor league innings and obvious control issues in spring training. Nobody thinks Rodon is the Sox best pitcher right now. The Cubs obviously believe Bryant is their best player as evidenced by his immediate insertion into the clean-up spot.

What you wrote is irrelevant.

This year was marketed as an "all-in" year. Rondon was one of the 25 best players in Spring Training.

Simple as that. White Sox sacrificed 11 games in an "all-in" year for 2021.
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 Post subject: Re: Rodon Called Up
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Kirkwood wrote:
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There is no real difference between Rodon's situation and Bryant's. There is a difference in perception, the Sox got a pass and the Cubs got raked through the coals.

Which is funny because the Sox are run like a Daley Administration with tons of neighborhood cronyism and patronage filling their staff while the Cubs are modern sport's shining example of lies-without-borders Washington-style image mocking. How is it the Cubs were saddled with the BAD OPTICS?



That's not true though. As I said, Bryant had dominated the minors for a full year and then dominated spring training. Rodon had limited minor league innings and obvious control issues in spring training. Nobody thinks Rodon is the Sox best pitcher right now. The Cubs obviously believe Bryant is their best player as evidenced by his immediate insertion into the clean-up spot.

What you wrote is irrelevant.

This year was marketed as an "all-in" year. Rondon was one of the 25 best players in Spring Training.

Simple as that. White Sox sacrificed 11 games in an "all-in" year for 2021.


You think a lot more of Rodon than any Sox fan.

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i was told he's the next carlton. i was disappointed a franchise with a billionaire owner was forcing the next carlton to toil in the minors in an "all-in" year.

i never got to see carlton. it's exciting to see there will be another one!
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I'm interested in the corresponding move as Rodon has to be put on the 40 man roster. I think they can easily shitcan Kyle Drabek. Petricka should be ready to return also so they can give Guerra his walking papers too.
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I'm interested in the corresponding move as Rodon has to be put on the 40 man roster. I think they can easily shitcan Kyle Drabek. Petricka should be ready to return also so they can give Guerra his walking papers too.

Would be a great day.
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I'd bet my ass Jerry watched today's game and made a phone call. This is a shocker.


So thats the answer? or was it to control his contract for an extra year?


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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There is no real difference between Rodon's situation and Bryant's. There is a difference in perception, the Sox got a pass and the Cubs got raked through the coals.

Which is funny because the Sox are run like a Daley Administration with tons of neighborhood cronyism and patronage filling their staff while the Cubs are modern sport's shining example of lies-without-borders Washington-style image mocking. How is it the Cubs were saddled with the BAD OPTICS?



That's not true though. As I said, Bryant had dominated the minors for a full year and then dominated spring training. Rodon had limited minor league innings and obvious control issues in spring training. Nobody thinks Rodon is the Sox best pitcher right now. The Cubs obviously believe Bryant is their best player as evidenced by his immediate insertion into the clean-up spot.


Nobody thought Bryant needed more development time in the minors, the decision was economical. If he isn't their best player, he's right up with Rizzo, and he's clearly their most highly regarded prospect by their decision to keep him in the minors to get an extra year of service.
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Drafted Rodon, would love to see him be GREAT

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Id start him and get Danks and or Noesi the fuck out of the rotation

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Id start him and get Danks and or Noesi the fuck out of the rotation


BUT THATS NOT HOW THE SOX DO THINGS...AND THEY DONT CHANGE THE WAY THEY DO THINGS FOR ANYONE, FOR ANY REASON!

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IMU wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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A team's best hitter does not hit cleanup.


A team's best hitter often does bat clean-up.

Is Adam LaRoche the Sox best hitter? Martin Prado on the Marlins? Matt Joyce on the Angels? Morneau on the Rockies?

I did not get any clarification on this. Which teams / players?

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Just looking at the box scores quickly,

Atlanta - Freeman
TB - Longoria
Boston - Hanley (debatably their best hitter)
Washington - Harper
KC - Hosmer
Texas - Beltre

Several teams had a guy there due to a platoon situation. Mets would have had Wright there, but he's injured or resting.

In any case it's hard to say what JORR said is outlandish... often a team's best hitter is in that slot. But I suppose you're just arguing semantics again.

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I guess 160 innings is the mystical number for rookies now. so he's in the pen until a move to the rotation will get him to around 160.

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Just looking at the box scores quickly,

Atlanta - Freeman (fine)
TB - Longoria (fine)
Boston - Hanley (debatably their best hitter) (Ortiz may still be their best hitter)
Washington - Harper (Harper has more PA in the 3rd spot than 4th spot this season)
KC - Hosmer (Cain is their best hitter this year and last, and he hits 3rd)
Texas - Beltre (has more PA in the 3rd spot than 4th spot this season)

Several teams had a guy there due to a platoon situation. Mets would have had Wright there, but he's injured or resting.

In any case it's hard to say what JORR said is outlandish... often a team's best hitter is in that slot. But I suppose you're just arguing semantics again.

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"The Bryant situation and Carlos’ situation are very different because of the innings issue," Boras said. "Because of the idea that frankly, you really want this process to get a foundation to it for a pitcher rather than building -- because there’s no repetition in amateur baseball that prepares you for what major league pitchers have to go through. Its part of what they have to go through isn’t about ability, it’s about truly building to durability." [...]

"Still the process is one where I don’t in any way think that too many innings too young, being a big leaguer, right there right now and throwing 180 innings your first year of pro ball, I don’t find too many careers where athletes do that that have worked out too well as far longevity goes," Boras said. "So bringing him along slowly and monitoring his innings and doing things like that, I think it’s a very good plan."

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I guess 160 innings is the mystical number for rookies now. so he's in the pen until a move to the rotation will get him to around 160.

Gotta save 30-40 for October
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How did he do?

I don't care enough to look it up.

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How did he do?

I don't care enough to look it up.
Bad. He's a bust.

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How did he do?

I don't care enough to look it up.
Bad. He's a bust.


I gathered from the general Sox fan disinterest in their own team.

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I gathered from the general Sox fan disinterest in their own team.
Bad. Seasons a bust.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
I gathered from the general Sox fan disinterest in their own team.
Bad. Seasons a bust.


You should start following the Cubs.

They're pretty good.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
I gathered from the general Sox fan disinterest in their own team.
Bad. Seasons a bust.


You should start following the Cubs.

They're pretty good.
I'm done with baseball if the Sox don't win 87 games this year or make the playoffs. Not looking good.

Hopefully there will be Cubs fans that can keep me abreast of what happens.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
I gathered from the general Sox fan disinterest in their own team.
Bad. Seasons a bust.


You should start following the Cubs.

They're pretty good.
I'm done with baseball if the Sox don't win 87 games this year or make the playoffs. Not looking good.

Hopefully there will be Cubs fans that can keep me abreast of what happens.


We always have hockey

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