You always do this crap. You shift rather than answer my question. Nowhere is not at issue. For the record I am not happy with him but have other issues to discuss. The question is about why the left can blame bush but I cannot blame Reid/pelosi and hold my grudge as long as say yours for Reagan.

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If the issues you choose to want to hammer the current administration or the apparent POTUS front runner on all started down the miserable road with Bush or Reagan, you have to own (up to) their failures as well. We've come to figurative federal bankruptcy largely because of policies started in '81. $3-4 trillion in principal was added to the debt (but off-books ) just because of wars of the last 13 years. Not to mention the tax cuts that weren't made "deficit neutral" as everything Rs want now. Hell, Rubio's own economic plan can't even be scored now given that it makes no rational economic sense. Paul & Cruz are still in the margins over Ryan's swiss cheese kinda/sorta budget.

No Bush has ever presented any budget that even attempted to reduce deficits, but this one (who traded favors as a president's son for gain) will?

We've now gone to war under false pretenses. Frightening given that this was after the alleged tough guy made his bones fighting the bum of the month (Cuba in Grenada) or establishing the forgotten Republican response to the rise of nationalists/Islamists by arming the Iranians/Iraqis/Saudis/etc. even after St. Ronnie cut and ran after the Marine barracks was terror bombed. We're at a point were preemptive war is being fought for private concerns and started over shaky foreign intelligence And all but called for by a guy who once was cheeky enough to sing "Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran!?!

But that clown (nxt. to last in his class at the Academy & apparently a shitty pilot) still doesn't realize that this country caused many of the problems in Iran by propping up a criminal dictator in the early 50's (Thanks Ike!)

Whenever in history did an American POTUS (or leading candidate) blithely dismiss an entire city, or one of this country's biggest and most vital industrial engine? Or an entire party vow inaction and the closure of the gov't so that guy won't have a shot at being effective?

Exactly what did Pelosi/Reid/Obama or Hillary ever do in comparison? A better question is exactly why shouldn't we bring the republican failures (& their legacies) to account?

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Did you have a stroke while you were typing that?





What crap? What shift? I answered your question, which was constructed poorly. You just don't like my answer.



Great point.



The guy who says to let it go, doesn't want to talk about the current Speaker, who hasn't done anything since he took the job, but rather the last one, who actually passed bills. That makes sense.





I have never heard you blame Bush for anything. Everything is the fault of Reid and Pelosi, despite the Republicans having control of both houses for Bush's first six years. Everything that got pushed through, was pushed through by the R's. Reid and Pelosi didn't start the wars. Reid and Pelosi didn't deregulate Wall Street.

I didn't say a word about Reagan, so try to stay on topic. But since you brought him up, I'm not on the side that engages in revisionist history, when talking about St. Ronnie. If Obama illegally sold weapons to Iran, to fund wars in Central America, your head would fucking explode. At that point, you might stop talking about Benghazi.

What did Reid and Pelosi do specifically, that was more damaging than what Bush and Cheney did? Take as much time as you need.




Stop. Watching. Fox. News.

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You and Reader are way off the track predictably. Deflect any talk about Rand and Hillary and turn into make the righties defend Bush, Chaney and Boehner. No Thanks. Bye.

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RR is correct. RPB is correct.

Back to the thread topic. He has no chance of coming close to winning.

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It's one embarrassment after another.

He believes that you should be able to marry who you want, but there is a religious connotation to marriage, so tough shit gays.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7Mw8o6_YJs

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Wait, are you saying churches should be forced to have gay weddings?

If you want to marry another woman, you can do that and have a marriage contract.


Im legit confused. What is he saying Gays cant do?

He is ok with gays marrying, but wants to keep the religious connotation? Do gay people want to force churches to marry them?

rand paul is a worse flip flopper than mitt romney

his is a fake piece of shit like the rest of them. fuck him. no wonder his dad keeps his distance- his dad has to be incredibly upset with rand right now.

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Does this come as a surprise to you?

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Seacrest does hate the gays.
They're just so, just so damn GAY.

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Diddling boys? A-Okay if you can keep it under wraps for a few years.

Consensual butt sex between two of-age men? THE WORST THING EVER

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That's something I cannot wrap my mind around.
the church knew for YEARS that their priests were having sex with little children and didn't do a damn thing about it except move them to different places that had new, fresh targets for them, but you get a couple grown men who dig each other and it's the worst thing that could happen to humanity and to make them a cake signifies they condone it.

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Isn't the main idea in the the marriage equality debate the legality?

I haven't seen many gay folks wanting to be married at a church that doesn't want them. (I'm sure it exists, but its mostly about the law)

I think the main idea in the debate is what is definition of marriage.

So what do you do when someone feels that a church should be forced to marry them?

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Is there anyone forcing or trying to force a church to marry them?

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They should marry them like they would anyone else.

If the marriage package includes hating on gay people then hate on gay people there too!

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So when a church disagrees with the state's new definition of marriage, what will be done?

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Seperate the Church from the State?

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Who would want to join a church (getting married at one is an endorsement of the church at least) that thinks their lifestyle is a sin or their marriage is wrong?

Don't need to make churches or any religuos group marry anyone.

The legality is what matters.

Wanting churches to accept and want to take part is a different issue.



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Marry the gays and shame them for the whole ceremony like a good Christian would! It isn't that hard.

My wife and I aren't very religious. The rent-a-pastor guy ended up throwing in some religious stuff, which actually worked out ok because others in my family are. I'd say you simply marry the gays and then tell the entire crowd how marriages between the same sex are sinful and the two people in front of you just got a first class ticket to hell.

Pretty simple if you ask me.

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I'd imagine that the yelp review of the service would say "hates gays, thinks they will burn in hell, cannot recommend if you are gay. A++ would recommend if you hate gays too".

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Thumbs up to the catering, which was done by Chick-Fil-A.

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So your experience with christians who shamed you should be visited upon those who had a different experience?

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So, do you think that churches will be allowed to sit this one out?

Do you really think that this is how it will play out?

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No one shamed me. I don't know what you mean here though besides that.

If a Christian wedding provider feels the need to make it clear that marriage should be between a man and a woman in every ceremony then they can and should do that in the gay wedding too. Isn't that the goal? Spread the word of God?

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Not to the gays. They're not welcome to the word of the god who created them exactly the way they are.

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So a christian wedding provider should be forced by the state to do something they disagree with and are unable to provide?

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