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so in other words, pass?

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The only thing I wasn't too happy about was how Peggy and Stan wound up together. Not that they did, just the way the phone conversation felt like it was out of a mid-2000s Matthew McConaughey vehicle.

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The only thing I wasn't too happy about was how Peggy and Stan wound up together. Not that they did, just the way the phone conversation felt like it was out of a mid-2000s Matthew McConaughey vehicle.


Yeah, but that was the right way for Practical Peggy to realize she was in love. Unlike Betty or Joan, Peggy was never driven by raw lust.

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so in other words, pass?


No. Watch the entire show. Every episode. Its great.

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 Post subject: Re: Mad Men
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Having watched the final episode a few times, Don had to walk away from everything in order to become enlightened and inspired and then return to what he does best....advertising. I got the happy ending that I was hoping for Don Draper, and most of the charachters had happy endings too.
I was hoping though to see one more Don Draper pitch back in New York before the "I'd like to teach the world to sing"closing scene.

Best drama in the history of television.

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Well said.

It also occurred to me that in the final episode, Don is drawing inspiration from the new-agers in 1970 just as he drew it from the beatniks in 1960 in the first season, taking notes from the counterculture and bringing them to the mainstream. No change.


Good point. I had forgotten about that.

In the finale, Don also gives the same advice to the single mother that he gives to Peggy early in the series--about forgetting the past and pushing forward so that things "get easier" every day. At the same time that his work preaches the ethos of togetherness inspired by communal living, Don is encouraging those around him to reject their connections to others, just as he has destroyed his relationship with his children. There has always been a brilliant cynicism at work in the series--best illustrated through the remarkably clever lines given to Roger Sterling--but this last episode really brings things together perfectly.

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Surely there will be a spin off from Mad Men. I'm not sure which characters lend themselves best to a new series though.
Perhaps Roger or Pete?

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Surely there will be a spin off from Mad Men. I'm not sure which charachter lends themselves best to a new series though.
Perhaps Roger or Pete?


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I think a prequel starring Roger would be great.

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I thought this was pretty cool.

Here's a picture of the girl Don talked to at the...wherever he was...and the girl from the Coke commercial.

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I thought this was pretty cool.

Here's a picture of the girl Don talked to at the...wherever he was...and the girl from the Coke commercial.

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Yea, there were a few hints...like Joan and her tan man friend doing Coke.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
I thought this was pretty cool.

Here's a picture of the girl Don talked to at the...wherever he was...and the girl from the Coke commercial.

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Good stuff, Dr.

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Yea, there were a few hints...like Joan and her tan man friend doing Coke.


I didn't think of it like that. That's pretty good.

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Looking back at this series, Mathew Weiner did a masterful job of weaving the numerous internet rumors about how the show would end, into various episodes. He teased us. He gave us many zig zags & head fakes...D.B. Cooper, Airplanes, Megan is Sharon Tate, Don will jump out of a window, etc. Even if he had planned to take one of these paths, he couldn't due to the popularity of such rumors & internet chatter.

The Coca Cola ending was just perfect.

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I think of Dr. Kenneth Noisewater as the Don Draper of CSFMB.

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Here's the story on the creation of the original Hilltop ad and the people involved. Pretty good if you're interested in the details...

https://medium.com/message/mad-men-and-the-coke-jingle-theory-4a5bf1fbaf02

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Surely there will be a spin off from Mad Men. I'm not sure which characters lend themselves best to a new series though.
Perhaps Roger or Pete?


I'd like to see the Don Draper story continue. After cementing his status as the premier ad man of his time, Draper is courted by the Republican Party to develop its messaging. He quickly becomes the chief mythologist for the far right, identifies Ronald Reagan as the perfect canvas for his continuing battle with the legacy of the 1960s, and personally triumphs over the counterculture by creating Reagan's "Morning in America" narrative.

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Surely there will be a spin off from Mad Men. I'm not sure which characters lend themselves best to a new series though.
Perhaps Roger or Pete?


I'd like to see the Don Draper story continue. After cementing his status as the premier ad man of his time, Draper is courted by the Republican Party to develop its messaging. He quickly becomes the chief mythologist for the far right, identifies Ronald Reagan as the perfect canvas for his continuing battle with the legacy of the 1960s, and personally triumphs over the counterculture by creating Reagan's "Morning in America" narrative.


Well yea, it would be great to see Don Draper in a prequel or sequel, but I doubt that will happen.

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Surely there will be a spin off from Mad Men. I'm not sure which characters lend themselves best to a new series though.
Perhaps Roger or Pete?


I'd like to see the Don Draper story continue. After cementing his status as the premier ad man of his time, Draper is courted by the Republican Party to develop its messaging. He quickly becomes the chief mythologist for the far right, identifies Ronald Reagan as the perfect canvas for his continuing battle with the legacy of the 1960s, and personally triumphs over the counterculture by creating Reagan's "Morning in America" narrative.


Well yea, it would be great to see Don Draper in a prequel or sequel, but I doubt that will happen.


The logical subject for a sequel to Mad Men is Peggy and her ascent within corporate America. Unfortunately, though, that story wouldn't be too fresh--it's already been told via a variety of films.

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Thinking about it more, and the general Chase-Weiner rule that bad people never change, it just makes so much sense that Don would be sitting there doing yoga, finding himself, and then the lightbulb comes on and he's taking these beautiful ideas of peace and harmony and co-opting them to sell sugar water. He didn't learn anything after all. That's Our Draper!


I think this is exactly right and it isn't even really ambiguous. Just like The Sopranos ending was very clear to those who paid attention- Tony is dead (or at least he got shot in head).

I fell off the Sopranos bandwagon couple seasons before it ended so i didn't get all caught up in the ambiguity of the last scene but what makes you think this? Especially the clear for those who paid attention?

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Thinking about it more, and the general Chase-Weiner rule that bad people never change, it just makes so much sense that Don would be sitting there doing yoga, finding himself, and then the lightbulb comes on and he's taking these beautiful ideas of peace and harmony and co-opting them to sell sugar water. He didn't learn anything after all. That's Our Draper!


I think this is exactly right and it isn't even really ambiguous. Just like The Sopranos ending was very clear to those who paid attention- Tony is dead (or at least he got shot in head).

I fell off the Sopranos bandwagon couple seasons before it ended so i didn't get all caught up in the ambiguity of the last scene but what makes you think this? Especially the clear for those who paid attention?


It's been a long time so I don't remember all the foreshadowing but there were some pretty clear indications. It's fiction so you can't say anything for sure happened but based on the things like Tony on that boat talking about how "when it comes, you'll never see it coming" (or something to that effect) want to lead you to believe that he was killed.

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I'm kinda glad Pete made up with the wife and they didn't die on the plane to KS.

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Thinking about it more, and the general Chase-Weiner rule that bad people never change, it just makes so much sense that Don would be sitting there doing yoga, finding himself, and then the lightbulb comes on and he's taking these beautiful ideas of peace and harmony and co-opting them to sell sugar water. He didn't learn anything after all. That's Our Draper!


I think this is exactly right and it isn't even really ambiguous. Just like The Sopranos ending was very clear to those who paid attention- Tony is dead (or at least he got shot in head).

I fell off the Sopranos bandwagon couple seasons before it ended so i didn't get all caught up in the ambiguity of the last scene but what makes you think this? Especially the clear for those who paid attention?


Well, in an earlier episode Tony and Bobby have a conversation about what it feels like to get whacked. Bobby specifically says, "You probably don't even hear it when it happens." That's notable in the final scene when there is no gunshot. Journey just stops playing abruptly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjohsyoJjao

Then there's the opening scene of the final season with the Burroughs poem (Bonus: Meadow never looked hotter!):

“Top soul, and the first to leave at the moment of death, is Ren, the Secret Name. This corresponds to my Director. He directs the film of your life from conception to death. The Secret Name is the title of your film. When you die, that's where Ren came in.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzNB_Y9cXi4

Finally, the last scene features distinctive camera work which the show did not normally use, i.e. the POV shot (Tony's). The sequence each time the door opens is very specific: Shot on Tony, bell rings, Tony looks up, Tony's POV shot of door with person walking in. You're being trained about what to expect in the next frame. Carm is the third person through the door. The next time Tony is looking up already before the bell rings. The killer (Members Only) walks in followed by AJ. The tension builds as Meadow haplessly tries to parallel park. Members Only heads to the restroom. The bell rings for the last time. Cut to Tony's face. The next logical shot in the sequence should be Meadow coming through the door. Tony doesn't see it. He's dead. Killed by Members Only.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnT7nYbCSvM

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I'm kinda glad Pete made up with the wife and they didn't die on the plane to KS.


Yup. A positive happy ending for all except Betty. I'm not sure what to think about Don though. Every personal relationship that he had outside of work went to hell for him & I assume that continued after going back to New York & creating the Coke ad.
I would pay big money to see a Don Draper sequel.

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Wasn't Stan married?

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He had a girlfriend who left him after he slept with Mimi Rogers's character.

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He had a girlfriend who left him after he slept with Mimi Rogers's character.


Stan fucked Mimi Rogers more than Tom Cruise did.

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Early '90s Mimi Rogers was something to behold, huh.

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