Both losers, don't care what kind!

Yes, beating Sexy Rexy sure makes you a great QB.

He didn't beat Rex. He beat the Bears Defense. I don't think Rex played on defense.

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So you agree with JORR that wins are important. He beat the Bears defense more than Rex beat the Colts defense, he threw better than the guy he was up against that day, that's very JORRsian.

Or else it was just that in 14 playoffs appearances he won the SB once, which if 12 teams make the playoffs, doesn't really weigh much.

That's a pretty twisty way of twisting what I'm saying to fit a narrative, sure.

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So the fact that Manning has a (considerable) losing record in the play-offs is over-ridden by the fact that he won a Super Bowl. I can buy that. However, then you would agree that if Romo were to accomplish the same feat he would also be deemed a winner, correct?

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Credence is given to the Peyton Manning is a loser argument when you take into account his performance in playoff games and the teams he played on. He has performed badly in a number of big games. His teams were heavily favored in a lot of those games. He has to own that.

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The ONE year Manning won his his Superbowl , he is the ONLY q.b. in NFL history to have more turnovers than t.d.s in the postseason and have his team win a Superbowl. He played poorly that postseason, his defense and running game bailed that dome queen out. He's never performed well in big games dating back to Tennessee.

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slippery slope here. just imagine if you said "all people are not equal" because the same cavalcade of qualifiers/variables/etc is coming. at what point to we denote a more meaningful game? if it's against a good team? if it's against any team with a .500+ record in the last 2 months of the season when a team is within X games of the wildcard? we could easily say playoff games, but then remember how cutler was knocked for one of his few playoff wins being against a 7-9 seahawks team? do we take strength of opponent into consideration in the playoffs? in the arbitrary period of time we've determined is a "playoff push" ?? what about that old saying that when you miss the playoffs by 1-2 games that games in april/may are just as important as games in august/sept? is that out the window now because there wasn't a formal playoff push going on in april/may whereas there was one in august/sept and therefore the pressure was up?

so yeah to do that you're pretty much inviting in arbitrary definitions of whatever, which usually at least subconsciously get cherrypicked by the arguer to fortify their argument, so yeah like i said it's a slippery slope.

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and that's backed up by the fact that he has a losing record in the playoffs. his whole demeanor changes in the post season. he tightens up a lot.

For the record, I would never say a pitcher with a 2.50 ERA and a 2-4 record was a "loser". There just isn't enough there to draw such a conclusion.

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I think he's like 11-13 in the playoffs. Not "considerable losing" record really. Better than 2 and 4 Romo.

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Now let's back up here. I didn't say Manning was a "winner" (although he has the ring). I said Romo was a loser. Even though he has a winning career record. I don't really think that's big time stepping out on a weird limb.

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And what if the season were only 4 games long with single elimination like an NFL post season?

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Romo over cutler all day any day .

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It's too short to draw conclusions. That's the beauty of baseball. You have huge samples. There simply isn't a starting pitcher with 200 career decisions who was "unlucky" enough to be a good pitcher and have a losing record.

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What do ya think Greg maddux' record would be if the braves drafted him ?

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About the same. See, you're making bad assumptions. In several of the seasons when Maddux was on the Cubs, the Cubs scored more than the Braves. The reason the Braves were so good was because of Maddux, Glavine, and Smoltz, not because Maddux, Glavine, and Smoltz got good "run support".

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If Atlanta had scored less runs, would they have had less wins?

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That's an unknown.

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Mmhmm...

But you believe that because Maddux was so great, if those Braves teams were only able to score half the runs each season that they did, Maddux would have reduced his ERA by half in order to make sure he still was an all time winning pitcher?

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I didn't say anything like that. There is no team that scored half as many as the Braves and the Cubs certainly didn't.

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So less runs could affect wins? And significantly fewer runs could significantly affect wins?

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More runs generally = more wins. Unless all pitchers give up 0 runs and your team does not score. Simple unless you have really stupid baseball thoughts or.... never mind.

Yes, and it isnt close.

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Romo will never win you a championship.

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He is better than Cutler though. Bears are long way from a championship. Long way.

He may be better than cutler. But he's still a loser.

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I agree. Both are losers. Romo is better.