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Thanks for the memories, Crow, but you get paid too much and Darling is more than capable of being the guy.


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Of course you'd like to move Bickell and Sharp. They're also at about their lowest value. Does anyone doubt they held Sharp too long? And I'm not saying you trade Kane now, but let's say it's three years down the road and they've won another Cup and Kane is coming off a big Finals, that might be the time you want to move a guy. When all the fans are clamoring for a guy to be traded, it's obviously too late.


You have a point, but remember that the NHL has a salary floor and that several teams desperately need to put money on the books to be compliant with the cap. Phoenix needs to add at least $17MM and I've heard as high as $19MM, which, given the fact that they've just been evicted and have one foot in the grave fucking AGAIN, is outlandish. Buffalo has to add at least 10. Nashville, Calgary, and Jersey are all under the floor. The money will end up somewhere.


Oh, they'll move them. They just won't get much in return.

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Wouldn't it be a gift from above if Bickell retired with post-concussion syndrome? He's a decent buyout candidate. I'm not a big fan of buyouts, but it might be better than retaining salary.

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Thanks for the memories, Crow, but you get paid too much and Darling is more than capable of being the guy.


At least HG is standing up for his statement,

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Of course you'd like to move Bickell and Sharp. They're also at about their lowest value. Does anyone doubt they held Sharp too long? And I'm not saying you trade Kane now, but let's say it's three years down the road and they've won another Cup and Kane is coming off a big Finals, that might be the time you want to move a guy. When all the fans are clamoring for a guy to be traded, it's obviously too late.


You have a point, but remember that the NHL has a salary floor and that several teams desperately need to put money on the books to be compliant with the cap. Phoenix needs to add at least $17MM and I've heard as high as $19MM, which, given the fact that they've just been evicted and have one foot in the grave fucking AGAIN, is outlandish. Buffalo has to add at least 10. Nashville, Calgary, and Jersey are all under the floor. The money will end up somewhere.



The point I keep making that no one cares to think about.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Of course you'd like to move Bickell and Sharp. They're also at about their lowest value. Does anyone doubt they held Sharp too long? And I'm not saying you trade Kane now, but let's say it's three years down the road and they've won another Cup and Kane is coming off a big Finals, that might be the time you want to move a guy. When all the fans are clamoring for a guy to be traded, it's obviously too late.


You have a point, but remember that the NHL has a salary floor and that several teams desperately need to put money on the books to be compliant with the cap. Phoenix needs to add at least $17MM and I've heard as high as $19MM, which, given the fact that they've just been evicted and have one foot in the grave fucking AGAIN, is outlandish. Buffalo has to add at least 10. Nashville, Calgary, and Jersey are all under the floor. The money will end up somewhere.


Oh, they'll move them. They just won't get much in return.



They do not want anything in return in terms of a player with money on the books. Picks and minor leaugers are fine.

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Thank you Corey Crawford...you were a big part of 2 Stanley Cup Championships. Best of luck with your new franchise.

Mr. Darling, your table is ready.

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If Crawford plays this hard for the Sabres, it will really expedite their turnaround.

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I understand Scottys philosophy with goalies, but it is the most important position in hockey and I'm not so sure that the Hawks have the nads to trade a 2 time cup winner and a guy who stood on his head and held the highest scoring team in the NHL to just 10 goals in 6 games in the stanley cup finals.

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I understand Scottys philosophy with goalies, but it is the most important position in hockey...



It's not though, which is exactly why Bowman's philosophy is what it is.

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I understand Scottys philosophy with goalies, but it is the most important position in hockey...



It's not though, which is exactly why Bowman's philosophy is what it is.


What position is more important?

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Scorehead wrote:
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I understand Scottys philosophy with goalies, but it is the most important position in hockey...



It's not though, which is exactly why Bowman's philosophy is what it is.


What position is more important?

I think what he's trying to say you can get by with a less than elite goalie if the horses around him are elite. That's how Bowman builds his teams. Chris Osgood went thru the same stuff in Detroit.

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Bowman said Crawford was untouchable. Smart man.


Smart to say, dumb to believe.

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Bowman said Crawford was untouchable. Smart man.


Smart to say, dumb to believe.


yep...if anything, this public statement just confirms Crawford is gone.

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Bowman said Crawford was untouchable. Smart man.


Smart to say, dumb to believe.


yep...if anything, this public statement just confirms Crawford is gone.


Hockey GenI can correct me here...

but regarding the cap...you can cut a player and that money no longer applies to the cap?

So, Sharpe and Bicks, probably return a minor league type guy at best....if not....they get cut?

Crawford....no way he is gone...Darling was fine for his stint and his presence probably made Crow focus....but come on....unless you have something better coming in , not named Darling....

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but regarding the cap...you can cut a player and that money no longer applies to the cap?

No, this was eliminated in the 2013 CBA. If you send a player to the AHL or overseas, you can't take the entire cap hit off the books, you can only subtract the league minimum + $375,000.

Cutting Bickell would mean carrying $3,050,000 a year in dead cap space for two years. Buying him out would carry $1,320,000 in dead cap space for four years.

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No single hockey player has a bigger impact on the outcome of a game than the goalie...and the goalie is the only player to play all 60 minutes.

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We saw this show already with Niemi. They weren't afraid to let a world class goalie go with a solid guy in the wings.
That said... Crow did amazing things this postseason. He had his urpy moments though, but I guess everyone does.
Overall, he was fucking magnificent in the final.

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At the time you asked this Darling was the correct answer. We might not win this thing, but for Darlings amazing relief pitching. His hot streak ended after a few games and then it was right to go back to Crow.

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At the time you asked this Darling was the correct answer. We might not win this thing, but for Darlings amazing relief pitching. His hot streak ended after a few games and then it was right to go back to Crow.

Q plays it perfectly.

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At the time Crawford was still the answer.

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At the time Crawford was still the answer.

He most certainly was not. And he admitted to as much on Monday night.

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At the time Crawford was still the answer.

He most certainly was not. And he admitted to as much on Monday night.


What did you expect him to say? The fans and Q are idiots? You just don't bench a guy that has his experience and talent because he had a bad game. He carried this team most of the season and he carried them when it mattered most. He just can't seem to get any respect or appreciation from fans.

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At the time Crawford was still the answer.

He most certainly was not. And he admitted to as much on Monday night.


What did you expect him to say? The fans and Q are idiots? You just don't bench a guy that has his experience and talent because he had a bad game. He carried this team most of the season and he carried them when it mattered most. He just can't seem to get any respect or appreciation from fans.

You do understand that sometimes a starter needs a blow right? Are we also forgetting to consider that he may have had an injury that prevented him from playing at his peak, as was theorized at times in that first series? Goalies are like closers kind of. THey can be magnificent for 9/10th of the season and can't get it together for a time and what gets them back in it might be getting replaced.
Q obviously did the right thing. That's not even really questionable. It was correct. That is without doubt.

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Center is the most important position in hockey


No single hockey player has a bigger impact on the outcome of a game than the goalie.


That's silly. You probably aren't aware of this, but for one of the Cups the Hawks won in the 30s, they pulled a guy out of the stands to play goalie.

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Center is the most important position in hockey


No single hockey player has a bigger impact on the outcome of a game than the goalie.


That's silly. You probably aren't aware of this, but for one of the Cups the Hawks won in the 30s, they pulled a guy out of the stands to play goalie.

That's happened quite a bit in NHL history.

But it's not silly.
Bring a guy out of the stands to play either LW or to play G, which has a greater negative effect on your team? Of course the guy playing G.
Put 5 guys from the stands on the ice to play with either an all-world G or an all-world LW - which team has the best chance at some success? Of course the team with somebody like Carey Price playing G with 5 bums.
Of course the G is the most important position in hockey. Kinda silly to argue otherwise, really.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Center is the most important position in hockey


No single hockey player has a bigger impact on the outcome of a game than the goalie.


That's silly. You probably aren't aware of this, but for one of the Cups the Hawks won in the 30s, they pulled a guy out of the stands to play goalie.

That's happened quite a bit in NHL history.

But it's not silly.
Bring a guy out of the stands to play either LW or to play G, which has a greater negative effect on your team? Of course the guy playing G.
Put 5 guys from the stands on the ice to play with either an all-world G or an all-world LW - which team has the best chance at some success? Of course the team with somebody like Carey Price playing G with 5 bums.
Of course the G is the most important position in hockey. Kinda silly to argue otherwise, really.


Are you saying that the Hawks would be better off replacing Kane with you than replacing Crawford with you?

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Are you saying that the Hawks would be better off replacing Kane with you than replacing Crawford with you?

Yes.
Or you.
Or any other regular guy.


Neither one of us could blow the Hawks entire chance to win a game while playing Kane's position/minutes.
We would easily destroy the Hawks chance to win if we tried to play goalie. The Hawks would have no shot with us in goal. The other team would score double digits easily.

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