Why not? The Cubs have and over abundance of good young bats and well the Sox need a lot of help! Just do it.ps fuck you all I say Jewels too

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

Not happening now or to anyone, but if this death spiral continues for the Sox and SaleS keeps pitching like Cy Koufax, like for some cracks in the defense system in the contract...

If you heard his last interview you already know where to aim the arrows as he started getting a little pissed that someone might think he was going to start blaming teammates...and I never do expect him to blame teammates...

but at some point, if you are the only guy pulling the rope...and you are getting paid like a 4th journeyman starter, you cant tell me that issue isnt going to creep up...

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"That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." Banky
“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

I'd be willing to roll dice and buy low on Shark. Reunite him with Bosio and hope for a nice second half run. Only downside would be no chance of draft pick compensation if he signs elsewhere in the off season.

Just call up a CJ Edwards or some other prospect and you still might catch lightning in a bottle without giving up prospects.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

sounds a discussion topic for score weekend hosts

http://espn.go.com/blog/buster-olney/insider/post?id=10467 From WWN to ESPN insiders page

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

They have so many ways to go, but maybe for the first time ever, they will have a plan more than 1 year out.

Anyone remember when Jerry and Eddie bought the team? Fisk and Luzinski bought right away to make the team more marketable. Even if it was really done so people would buy Sportsvision at $44.95 a month for 2 regular movie, 2 soft porn (after 11 PM) and a Sox or Blackhawks game. Meanwhile you could come home from School if you lived in Las Cruces , NM at 3 PM and turn on WGN for FREE and watch the Cubs. 40 years later, one team needs to the state/city to stay in business and the other team would like the state/city to leave them alone to spend money and build.

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"That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." Banky
“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

That article compares him to Randy Johnson. Remember when that was a punchline in this forum?

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

He should fire his agent for allowing the Sox to add on two option years in 19 and 20.

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As it should have been when it was first discussed, just as you guys should mock people around here for comparing the Cubs young players to studs.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

I still think it's a silly comparison. Randy Johnson is probably the greatest lefthander ever. If not, he's certainly in the top three. Sale has a long way to go.

And the comparison of those strikeout games across history is ridiculous. The difference between Sale and say, Koufax, is that the guys Koufax faced were trying to avoid being struck out. That isn't the case in modern baseball which is why you end up with odd looking stat lines like the one Luis Valbuena is putting up this year.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Sox going for it again next year. Not trading Sale.

Why anyone thinks they would start the rebuild process now is hysterical. Jerrys whole life has almost ignored the minor leagues...so you think at age 112 he is going to start looking to the future??? lol

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"That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." Banky
“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

David Robertson to Cub would make some sense, no?

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Reality is your friend, not your enemy. -- Seacrest

They are in year 3 of rebuild. Next year will be third consecutive year of high draft picks. Well that is if they don't lose them again for signing free agents.

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I'm not sure what Robertson's no-trade situation is. I'm sure Keyser Soze knows. Plus I doubt the Cubs would want to go on the hook for that big long term money for a closer. I think Duke would make more sense for the Cubs if they were going to deal with the Sox.

People throw trades around and they're generally not realistic and almost never happen. But for the sake of argument, what do Cubs and Sox fans think would be a fair return if the Sox gave the Cubs Quintana and Duke?

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Who would you ask for a starting point?

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I think Russell and two young minor league pitchers would be a fair deal. I'm sure most Cub fans would find that ridiculous.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

would probably have to start with gleyber torres who's in low-a.

none of the tradeable package pieces in aa or aaa are a fit for the sox (almora, alcantara, vogelbach)

duke doesn't have much value. he's a burden moreso than a piece

I don't want Duke , but Quintana is valuable.

I'd be willing to trade Lake, Alcantara and Baez for Quintana.

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Jerry is well aware of the true cost of rebuilding now as the Cubs marketing train is picking up steam. He cant take a step back now, that chance is now gone.

If anyone will just take Laroche and Cabrera they are gone. They might need to throw Robertson in with Eaton for someone to take that money as well.

The Sox need to clear money to find a catcher, a 3B, a SS....then a new LH, a DH...

1. This takes some front office people to allow their Egos to be sacrificed....and admit what they did wasnt a good idea....as every stat service said!

2. Get MLB players in.

I am not saying they win anything, but they dont become the worst team in baseball and maybe they do catch lightning.....

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"That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." Banky
“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

That's wrong. There will be a market for Duke. In fact, he's better than any lefty the Cubs have in the pen. Maybe better than anyone they have in the pen period.

Vogelbach isn't a prospect. He's a fat piece of shit slugging in the minors. Nobody wants him. Nobody wants Alcantara either. And you're going to have to give more than Almora for a guy considered to be a quality lefthanded started signed to a very favorable deal.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

And I want Mike Trout and would be willing to trade Beckham, Ramirez, and Danks.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

LaRoche can probably be moved. They're stuck with Cabrera. If you're going to eat the money it will take to move him, you may as well keep him and see if he can get back to his averages. It's way too soon to panic on Eaton.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

The cubs ain't desperate .. Cueto ..greinke and price are free agents in 5 months ..the cubs will get one.

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So they're not going to try to win this season? You guys love saying "Wait 'til next year!"

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

like i said, there isn't a fit. none of the guys i listed can headline a trade. it'd be similar to how rangers gave a package for garza.

but almora, vogelbach, alcantara don't fit for the sox as they'd be redundant pieces with established MLBers or better prospects in their spot. eaton, abreu, beckham (or tim anderson).

when you compare duke to james russell there isn't enough of a marginal difference to assume the remaining two years of duke's contract.

the cubs already goofed up by signing coke and wasting $3M on that bum.

It can't be that you just dump guys you don't want. if we're going to talk realistically, you're going to have to give up something for Quintana who is signed very cheaply for multiple years and is, in the mind's of most baseball people, a high quality lefthanded starter. You know why I don't like him. I think he's a loser and will be even if he goes where they average more runs per game. But as has been stated over and over here, that isn't a prevailing opinion.

It's not that Vogelbach and Alcantara aren't a "fit". It's that they aren't worth much. You're going to have to come with one major league ready guy and some young pitchers. Maybe you could make the deal with Almora. I'm not sure the Cubs want to do that. I'm sure they don't want to trade Russell, but it's not like he's some proven stud and they're loaded with middle infielders. Maybe the Sox would take McKinney. The Sox need a lot of stuff. I don't think they're in a position to worry about "fit". They just need quality. Not Vogelbach.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Baez, Castro , lake and alcantero for quintana.

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The Sox don't want Lake or Alcantara. They might take Castro, but there's probably a better deal the Cubs can make with him somewhere else to get young pitching themselves if they want to go that route.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

which is why i said it probably starts with gleyber torres in low-a and additions are made from there.

it'd probably have to be torres, mckinney and an arm for quintana.