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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2015 7:33 pm 
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DETROIT -- While Robin Ventura's status has been discussed in internal team meetings, Chicago White Sox executive vice president Kenny Williams said Friday the manager is on solid footing.

The subject was broached in the wake of the news Friday that Philadelphia Phillies manager Ryne Sandberg had resigned.

Sandberg, in his fourth season, is the fourth major league manager to leave his post already this season, as changes also were made with the Miami Marlins, Milwaukee Brewers and San Diego Padres.


Kenny Williams recognized the White Sox's disappointing play this season, but he didn't attribute that to the manager. "You only have so much control as a manager on your overall team play," he said of Robin Ventura. Jon Durr/Getty Images
"With regards to Robin, listen, you only have so much control as a manager on your overall team play," Williams said ahead of his team's game against the Tigers at Comerica Park. "He will be the first to admit they haven't played and they haven't followed the direction as much as he would have liked. But what we have to look at in management is, have we given him the right pieces?

"If they are underperforming to this degree as a whole, then I would have to say right now -- and I've told the chairman [Jerry Reinsdorf] this -- at the end of the day, it falls on my desk. I hired the manager. I hired the general manager."

Williams then doubled down on the subject, saying that not only is Ventura in good standing despite the club's 32-40 record entering Friday, but he is essentially improving as a manager.

"[Ventura] understands the gig," Williams said. "His first year, he almost won manager of the year if it wasn't for two bad weeks at the end of the season. You don't go from that to what people are talking about now because you've gotten worse at your job. As a matter of fact, he's gotten exponentially better and more adept in a lot of situations."

Ventura wasn't seeking the managerial position when he was approached by Williams after the 2011 season, Ozzie Guillen's last as White Sox manager. Williams sold Ventura on the job, though, and since then, the team's former third baseman has been committed to the position.

"I'm committed to getting [solid play] out of these guys; I believe in these guys," Ventura said. "I'm not even speaking of [Sandberg's] position or what is going on over there, but where I'm at and the people I work with, if they didn't have faith in me, I'd already be gone. Yeah, there is mean stuff [being said by fans], but that's part of doing the job, really."

In no way is Williams accepting of the play on the field, though.

"I told my mother I wouldn't cuss in the newspaper anymore, so I can't tell you," Williams said when asked what it's been like to watch the product on the field. "You have to imagine the words I have to describe how I'm feeling on this. We have a lot more people around here that are a lot more patient than I."

Asked if the White Sox still can be a playoff team, Williams said he remains hopeful but is also a realist.

"You can imagine going on that kind of a run, and we do have the pieces," Williams said, mentioning the starting pitching in particular. "Certainly right now, if I'm being honest, I don't see any indication of that, but you never know what's going to click at a given time and you go on a roll.

"And when you've got this kind of starting pitching and the bullpen to support it, this is the kind of thing you just need a little offense to support it and a little fundamentally sound baseball. We don't need anybody to make the great play; we just need them to make the plays they should make."

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Kenny loves the attention.

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For the record, x^0 = 1 ... so the statement does have a chance at being a mathematically valid one.

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don's on a roll tonite...must have taken his happy pills. :lol:

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Kenny never made a bad decision he didn't love.

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Kenny never made a bad decision he didn't love.

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well hey don't forget that exponentially speaking it's possible to go to the power of zero (^0) and then i wanna say the result is..... 1? and therefore anything to the power of zero = 1, so with robin ventura you can technically say "Expotentially better" and people think "wow he's waaaayyyyy better than he was before" but really, you could be saying he's just "1" better, or maybe he's simply just "1" overall, and welp, with robin i can think of plenty of "1" things.... like there's "1" professional sports championship he will never win as a manager..... can you guess the sport?

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So the reason the team did poorly is because Kenny removed himself from the situation?

What a complete self important DB of a human being.

I know Jerry is loyal, but from past examples, this is something he has show not to like, when someone toots his own horn...and in this case , about as wrong as one could toot!

"I hired the general manager?"..............huh?????????????

Jerry let that organization lose control....and Kenny is at fault for that, as if you remember, he was put out to pasture and was going to work on the attendance issue.

And Rick Hahn resigned Robin...

I wish Joe Cowley still covered the Sox and would call them out again....

hey, but that WLS exposure next year should boost the attention !!!!

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I'll say this...Bernsie ,Rongey,Kenny,Jerry,Hahn and the rest of the dopes that say it's not Robins fault are just fools.You know who knows Ventura can't manage are the players :shock: They have known it after year one :oops:

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The difference between the 2 ball teams in Chicago has never been greater. The Cubs have done everything right and have built an organization for the long haul, while the White Sox sre just a small time bush league operation. Not sure what Jerry pays Kenny to do

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The difference between the 2 ball teams in Chicago has never been greater. The Cubs have done everything right and have built an organization for the long haul, while the White Sox sre just a small time bush league operation. Not sure what Jerry pays Kenny to do

Spot on. Kenny's role is ? .......


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Its too bad the Blue Jays were denied permission to talk to KW.


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The difference between the 2 ball teams in Chicago has never been greater. The Cubs have done everything right and have built an organization for the long haul, while the White Sox sre just a small time bush league operation. Not sure what Jerry pays Kenny to do


The Cubs haven't won shit and most likely won't. Your excitement is no different than when Dallas Green and Andy MacPahil (F-A-I-L) came in to "do it the right way."

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Ventura is baseball Del Negro.

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After Kenny threw Hahn under the bus and basically said Hahn is an APPRENTICE, Hahn should resign from this total farce of an organization.

This truly is a pathetic joke.

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badrogue17 wrote:
Ventura is baseball Del Negro.

VDN coached team made the playoffs 4 times :shock:

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Can Kenny talk Youkilis out of retirement for WIN NOW 2015???? How about Oaf Dunn?

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It was very difficult for Kenny to hire anyone as good as Kenny. Kenny was needed to go upstairs and fix things as only Kenny can do. Kenny may have to go down and fix the team now. People underestimate how promoting Kenny hurt this team.

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Ventura is baseball Del Negro.



After the game yesterday, Shep and Joe O said that Shark yelled to the dugout, "Why am i still in this fucking game?"

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After the game yesterday, Shep and Joe O said that Shark yelled to the dugout, "Why am i still in this fucking game?"


my take was that he yelled it to himself, not directed at the dugout. but of course we don't know for sure since nobody in the media bothered to investigate.

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Why would you yell something like that to yourself? That would seem rather odd.

That seems like something you yell with a very definite purpose in mind.

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obviously he was pissed at being left in the game dumbass. he could have walked off the field and flipped the ball to Ventura if he had the balls to do it.

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obviously he was pissed at being left in the game dumbass. he could have walked off the field and flipped the ball to Ventura if he had the balls to do it.

Ok gotcha, you are making this up as you go along.

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I assume the most reasonable scenario, not the most absurd one.

how is the most reasonable scenario that he is yelling that question at himself?

I get the fact that players yell at themselves, that no doubt happens. But it just seems pretty odd that a pitcher would yell that specific of a question to himself? That seems to be clearly directed to the bench...to Robin....Coop...

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so you think:

A. He blows his fucking top and yells at the manager and pitching coach from the diamond, and
B. They ignore him, and
C. They leave them in the game, and
D. Nobody in the media asks about this confrontation which takes place in front of everyone.

Very likely.

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Just for point of reference i watched the ESPN doc on Luis Tiant last night. In Game 4 of the 75 series he pitched a complete game with over 170 pitches and was left in the game in the bottom of the 9th with runners on first and second and MVP Joe Morgan at the plate whom he retired on a pop up. Fire Darrell Johnston!!

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