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 Post subject: Sandra Bland
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At first I thought race had absolutely nothing to do with this incident but after watching the video from the beginning you can tell he clearly targeted her. He gave the other kid a warning for speeding and no insurance but wrote her a ticket for changing lanes without signaling. She changed lanes like that because he did a u-turn and sped up behind her on a fairly empty road.

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 Post subject: Re: Sandra Bland
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One of the problems is that most cops seem to be giant balls of emotion. Don't they test these people to get the proper emotional make-up for the job? Hell, they give personality tests to people who are going to be flipping burgers these days.

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 Post subject: Re: Sandra Bland
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One of the problems is that most cops seem to be giant balls of emotion. Don't they test these people to get the proper emotional make-up for the job? Hell, they give personality tests to people who are going to be flipping burgers these days.


if intelligence is of no concern to them as far as the hiring process goes, what makes you think they care about emotional makeup ?


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 Post subject: Re: Sandra Bland
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The cop certainly goaded her on. He could have written the dumb warning and walked away.

By the same token, she should have kept her mouth shut and taken it and moved on.

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 Post subject: Re: Sandra Bland
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By the same token, she should have kept her mouth shut and taken it and moved on.

Same with blacks in the Jim Crow south.

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 Post subject: Re: Sandra Bland
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As I've said before it seems the majority of cops are the same people who were bullies in high school. Most normal people don't want to be cops. The cop situation won't ever get better. This is why when the cop asks you to put your cig out, you should keep your mouth shut and just do it. Everytime you are confronted by a cop, especially as a person of color, you are playing a game of russian roulette. So why add extra bullets to the chamber? Why is this so hard for some of the population to grasp?


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 Post subject: Re: Sandra Bland
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White or Black, most cops lean toward the meaball factor.
I’ve been pulled over numerous times over the years. Some cops are nice, some approach you with a God-complex. In either situation, your best bet is to be humble, quiet, and respectful. Doesn’t matter if they deserve that courtesy or not.

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 Post subject: Re: Sandra Bland
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I would say do what you have to do to stay alive when dealing with cops but at the same time try to change the situation on an institutional level (i.e. Who we choose to be cops and how much power we let them wield)


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One of the problems is that most cops seem to be giant balls of emotion. Don't they test these people to get the proper emotional make-up for the job? Hell, they give personality tests to people who are going to be flipping burgers these days.


I have a dream most nights. It starts on a playground. There's kids swinging, laughing, dogs barking, butterflies just flapping their little wings. And then you hear a rumbling, and over the horizon comes a black cloud and it's made of cancer and puss. And it starts sweeping over the playground and everyone starts screaming and clawing their eyes and pulling at their hair, and saying "Help! What do we do?" And you know what happens next? Out steps me wielding the biggest fucking shotgun you've ever seen in your whole life. And you know what I do? I blow every fucking thing away. And I am getting God's work done. When it's all over and the dust has settled, the whole world gathers below me and they say, "Thank you, Ronnie, thank you for helping, being a great man and doing this for us." And you know what I say? "You don't need to thank me. I'm just a guy with a gun. I'm just a cop."


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 Post subject: Re: Sandra Bland
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The only thing worse than a cop with a God complex is the guys that crowd around the off-duty cop at a party or get together to listen to his cop stories. They act like his tough guy bullshit will rub off on them by osmosis. I know cops,but I try to not ask them about their jobs.

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Its a shame that changing lanes without a signal could get her arrested . This cop is an asshole... If she were a man , this coward would have shot her .

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 Post subject: Re: Sandra Bland
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I know there's a thread about the Waco biker shootings somewhere here. Since this thread touches on the general douchbaggery of cops and our 'justice' system, I figured I'd post this story here. It's no wonder us regular folk have no confidence in those with positions of power, from the dog catcher to the highest office in the land. Government is broken at all levels. We have become the enemy. We are held in contempt by our dear leaders.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc ... rs/399047/

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 Post subject: Re: Sandra Bland
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The only thing worse than a cop with a God complex is the guys that crowd around the off-duty cop at a party or get together to listen to his cop stories. They act like his tough guy bullshit will rub off on them by osmosis. I know cops,but I try to not ask them about their jobs.



I don't want to hear about anyone's job unless it's something really interesting. You want to talk about work? You'd better be a fucking astronaut or something. There's no question I hate more than "What do you do?"

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 Post subject: Re: Sandra Bland
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
jimmypasta wrote:
The only thing worse than a cop with a God complex is the guys that crowd around the off-duty cop at a party or get together to listen to his cop stories. They act like his tough guy bullshit will rub off on them by osmosis. I know cops,but I try to not ask them about their jobs.



I don't want to hear about anyone's job unless it's something really interesting. You want to talk about work? You'd better be a fucking astronaut or something. There's no question I hate more than "What do you do?"

I couldn't agree more with the above, Rodney.

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 Post subject: Re: Sandra Bland
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At first I thought race had absolutely nothing to do with this incident but after watching the video from the beginning you can tell he clearly targeted her. He gave the other kid a warning for speeding and no insurance but wrote her a ticket for changing lanes without signaling. She changed lanes like that because he did a u-turn and sped up behind her on a fairly empty road.

https://youtu.be/CBh3wzXd3vg





One thing that really pusses me off is " she had marijuana in her system . So what? Who gives a fuck. Irrelevant .


Nas , look at her mug shot ...a lot of people think she was dead when it was taken . what say u

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 Post subject: Re: Sandra Bland
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Nas wrote:
At first I thought race had absolutely nothing to do with this incident but after watching the video from the beginning you can tell he clearly targeted her. He gave the other kid a warning for speeding and no insurance but wrote her a ticket for changing lanes without signaling. She changed lanes like that because he did a u-turn and sped up behind her on a fairly empty road.

https://youtu.be/CBh3wzXd3vg





One thing that really pusses me off is " she had marijuana in her system . So what? Who gives a fuck. Irrelevant .


Nas , look at her mug shot ...a lot of people think she was dead when it was taken . what say u


I saw that. I'm not sure though. I thought they took your photo before they gave you prison clothes. I didn't know they gave you prison clothes when you were in lockup anyway.

I am confident most of us have done the same thing she did. You see a cop speeding up behind you and you get out of his way. The majority of the time you don't use your signal if the road is empty.

Fact is he targeted her when she turned the corner. He had just finished letting someone go for speeding and driving without insurance. He saw her and instantly did a u-turn and sped up behind her. Then he gets upset because she isn't kissing his ass and pulls her out the car and threatens to taser her. Tells her she is under arrest but never tells her why. After handcuffing her he decides that he should slam her head first to the ground. The fact that this officer and the black female officer still have a job is really ridiculous.

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 Post subject: Re: Sandra Bland
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As I've said before it seems the majority of cops are the same people who were bullies in high school. Most normal people don't want to be cops. The cop situation won't ever get better. This is why when the cop asks you to put your cig out, you should keep your mouth shut and just do it. Everytime you are confronted by a cop, especially as a person of color, you are playing a game of russian roulette. So why add extra bullets to the chamber? Why is this so hard for some of the population to grasp?


I used to feel the same way. Fact is everyone should be able to leave a traffic stop with their life and dignity. You shouldn't have to forfeit one in order to keep the other. In this case she lost both because she was annoyed with being pulled over for no valid reason.

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 Post subject: Re: Sandra Bland
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the cops I know don't say shit about being cops. I wouldn't have known they were cops but over the years of having kids in school together you learn things.

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 Post subject: Re: Sandra Bland
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As I've said before it seems the majority of cops are the same people who were bullies in high school. Most normal people don't want to be cops. The cop situation won't ever get better. This is why when the cop asks you to put your cig out, you should keep your mouth shut and just do it. Everytime you are confronted by a cop, especially as a person of color, you are playing a game of russian roulette. So why add extra bullets to the chamber? Why is this so hard for some of the population to grasp?


I used to feel the same way. Fact is everyone should be able to leave a traffic stop with their life and dignity. You shouldn't have to forfeit one in order to keep the other. In this case she lost both because she was annoyed with being pulled over for no valid reason.

I think pretty much everyone would agree with this. I'm just saying it will never be that way for reasons I explained. It's fuckin bullshit for sure.


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 Post subject: Re: Sandra Bland
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Wasn't that an unlawful arrest and didn't he violate her 4th Amendment rights? Maybe the lawyers of the board can answer that.

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Hockey Gay wrote:
As I've said before it seems the majority of cops are the same people who were bullies in high school. Most normal people don't want to be cops. The cop situation won't ever get better. This is why when the cop asks you to put your cig out, you should keep your mouth shut and just do it. Everytime you are confronted by a cop, especially as a person of color, you are playing a game of russian roulette. So why add extra bullets to the chamber? Why is this so hard for some of the population to grasp?


I used to feel the same way. Fact is everyone should be able to leave a traffic stop with their life and dignity. You shouldn't have to forfeit one in order to keep the other. In this case she lost both because she was annoyed with being pulled over for no valid reason.

I think pretty much everyone would agree with this. I'm just saying it will never be that way for reasons I explained. It's fuckin bullshit for sure.


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Every cop in the country should have a body cam with audio.

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dude should be fired no doubt, this type of stuff happens all the time though. did he kill her? hmmm that would be a crazy story. maybe he was worried she would sue him?

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Every cop in the country should have a body cam with audio.


There was one cop who "accidentally" unplugged his before beating or shooting someone recently.

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What I don't get is why neither Bland nor her sisters/relatives (who don't appear to be penniless) were able or willing to keep her out of jail for three days by posting $500.

As for the initial arrest, they were both dbags in my opinion.

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Wasn't that an unlawful arrest and didn't he violate her 4th Amendment rights? Maybe the lawyers of the board can answer that.


The problem is that she was arrested for assaulting a police officer; the only reason she did so is that the cop unnecessarily escalated the situation. Apparently the arrest was lawful, but the policing leading to the arrest exemplifies poor professional conduct.

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Wasn't that an unlawful arrest and didn't he violate her 4th Amendment rights? Maybe the lawyers of the board can answer that.


The problem is that she was arrested for assaulting a police officer; the only reason she did so is that the cop unnecessarily escalated the situation. Apparently the arrest was lawful, but the policing leading to the arrest exemplifies poor professional conduct.


Okay. Did the assault happen before he told her she was under arrest or after? I saw him open her door and try to pull her out but I didn't see her kick him. I believe that is what he said she did.

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Every cop in the country should have a body cam with audio.


There was one cop who "accidentally" unplugged his before beating or shooting someone recently.


and even if everyone did , juries will still acquit anyways
i'm not saying it's not a good idea, but it's not going to solve everything. cops will still get away with plenty of shit


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The officer was relegated to desk duty after this, so that let's you know that he was wrong.

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