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The officer was relegated to desk duty after this, so that let's you know that he was wrong.


What about the female officer?

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One of the problems is that most cops seem to be giant balls of emotion. Don't they test these people to get the proper emotional make-up for the job? Hell, they give personality tests to people who are going to be flipping burgers these days.


They are taught to take control of the situation with aggressiveness. I think its a necessary directive and wouldn't need amendment in the hands of a prudent person

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 Post subject: Re: Sandra Bland
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The only thing worse than a cop with a God complex is the guys that crowd around the off-duty cop at a party or get together to listen to his cop stories. They act like his tough guy bullshit will rub off on them by osmosis. I know cops,but I try to not ask them about their jobs.



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 Post subject: Re: Sandra Bland
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One of the problems is that most cops seem to be giant balls of emotion. Don't they test these people to get the proper emotional make-up for the job? Hell, they give personality tests to people who are going to be flipping burgers these days.


They are taught to take control of the situation with aggressiveness. I think its a necessary directive and wouldn't need amendment in the hands of a prudent person



Why do you think it's necessary for police to address citizens with a chip on their shoulder? This situation didn't call for aggressiveness in any way. It was strictly about a public servant showing a member of the public he supposedly serves that he was in charge.

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 Post subject: Re: Sandra Bland
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Wasn't that an unlawful arrest and didn't he violate her 4th Amendment rights? Maybe the lawyers of the board can answer that.


The problem is that she was arrested for assaulting a police officer; the only reason she did so is that the cop unnecessarily escalated the situation. Apparently the arrest was lawful, but the policing leading to the arrest exemplifies poor professional conduct.


Okay. Did the assault happen before he told her she was under arrest or after? I saw him open her door and try to pull her out but I didn't see her kick him. I believe that is what he said she did.


could have arrested her for any number of violations so the arrest is lawful

We all break laws every day and are kind of at the whim of the officer who chooses to enforce them.

The arrest is not the point to bring up your feelings of violation. Bring that up in court or file a complaint

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 Post subject: Re: Sandra Bland
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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One of the problems is that most cops seem to be giant balls of emotion. Don't they test these people to get the proper emotional make-up for the job? Hell, they give personality tests to people who are going to be flipping burgers these days.


They are taught to take control of the situation with aggressiveness. I think its a necessary directive and wouldn't need amendment in the hands of a prudent person



Why do you think it's necessary for police to address citizens with a chip on their shoulder? This situation didn't call for aggressiveness in any way. It was strictly about a public servant showing a member of the public he supposedly serves that he was in charge.


not with a chip on their shoulder

The aggressiveness is a psychological ploy that works in most situations. I'm sure it's been studied in criminal justice programs.

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Why do you think it's necessary for police to address citizens with a chip on their shoulder? This situation didn't call for aggressiveness in any way. It was strictly about a public servant showing a member of the public he supposedly serves that he was in charge.


based on watching a lot of episodes of Cops through the years, the explanation they will always give is that you never know when a routine traffic stop will go bad...basically they are going to assume the absolute worst even if they pull a nun over .


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The aggressiveness is a psychological ploy that works in most situations. .


and results in death in roughly 5% of the others. :lol:

great strategy. :lol:

you assume the worst and that the driver is a psychopath so treat them as such.

how you doin ma'am? nice day, huh? do you know why I pulled you over?

meanwhile hand is tensed to grab gun and fire between the eyes.

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Watch that t.v. show Alaskan State Troopers ... That's how cops should be trained .. Its not because they gave cameras on either..its because they have to deal with a lot of mentally I'll people n EVERYONE in the state owns guns ...they are spread thin and backup us very far away...They treat people with respect and try to keep situations calm and not escelate things ...For their own safety.

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The officer was relegated to desk duty after this, so that let's you know that he was wrong.


What about the female officer?

Uncle Thomasina?

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The officer was relegated to desk duty after this, so that let's you know that he was wrong.


What about the female officer?

Uncle Thomasina?



Black police showing out for the white cop

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 Post subject: Re: Sandra Bland
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The officer was relegated to desk duty after this, so that let's you know that he was wrong.


What about the female officer?

Uncle Thomasina?

Bad.

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One of the problems is that most cops seem to be giant balls of emotion. Don't they test these people to get the proper emotional make-up for the job? Hell, they give personality tests to people who are going to be flipping burgers these days.


They are taught to take control of the situation with aggressiveness. I think its a necessary directive and wouldn't need amendment in the hands of a prudent person



But the police officer wasn't displaying the same level of aggression toward the white driver whom he let off with a warning.

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Ticketed Motorist Pointing Finger Just The Green Light Cop Needed

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DANVILLE, VA—Recalling the provocation that came midway through a routine traffic stop, Danville police officer Dylan Hayden told reporters Thursday that driver Donald Watkins’ decision to frustratedly point his finger at him was just the green light he needed. “Legally, I’m not allowed to touch the motorist after pulling him over, but when he extended his index finger directly toward me, I knew that gave me the go-ahead right there to take whatever action I deemed necessary,” said Hayden, adding that as soon as he noticed the conceivably threatening hand gesture, he had full authority to skip right ahead to exerting force. “Frankly, I probably would’ve had the okay to rock and roll after he cursed under his breath, but I wanted to be absolutely certain that I was in the clear. Once he pointed his finger at my chest from inside his vehicle, I knew I’d be covered no matter what happened next. He really left the door wide open for me with that one.” Hayden expressed confidence that there was probably someone wanted for robbery who looks similar enough to Watkins to legally justify pulling him over in the first place.


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Should I post the myriad cop dashcam videos that shows them being murdered in cold blood at traffic stops?

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Should I post the myriad cop dashcam videos that shows them being murdered in cold blood at traffic stops?

Sure.

That is problematic. But dangerous criminals are what they signed up for. Citizens didnt sign up to be abused by grown up bullies.


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Should I post the myriad cop dashcam videos that shows them being murdered in cold blood at traffic stops?


Why would you need to? It wouldn't be relevant to this particular case.

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Should I post the myriad cop dashcam videos that shows them being murdered in cold blood at traffic stops?

Sure.

That is problematic. But dangerous criminals are what they signed up for. Citizens didnt sign up to be abused by grown up bullies.

To be fair, I don't think they totally signed up to be shot dead, but they know it can happen in the course of duty.

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Should I post the myriad cop dashcam videos that shows them being murdered in cold blood at traffic stops?

Sure.

That is problematic. But dangerous criminals are what they signed up for. Citizens didnt sign up to be abused by grown up bullies.

Right. They get shot at traffic stops well that's part of the biz. Don't be a cop if you don't like it. Poor innocent civies though being bullied .

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Should I post the myriad cop dashcam videos that shows them being murdered in cold blood at traffic stops?

Sure.

That is problematic. But dangerous criminals are what they signed up for. Citizens didnt sign up to be abused by grown up bullies.

Right. They get shot at traffic stops well that's part of the biz. Don't be a cop if you don't like it. Poor innocent civies though being bullied .

Anyone who commits murder should be prosecuted. Is anyone here arguing against this?

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 Post subject: Re: Sandra Bland
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In case you didnt see the video, here is a description.

In the video, Encinia tells Bland she is under arrest. She repeatedly asks why, but the trooper does not answer, other than to say, "I am giving you a lawful order."

Sandra Bland, 28, was about to begin a new job at Prairie View A&M University, her alma mater.
Sandra Bland, 28, was about to begin a new job at Prairie View A&M University, her alma mater.
They argue, then Encinia pulls what appears to be his Taser and points it at Bland.

He screams: "Get out of the car! I will light you up! Get out! Now!"

Bland then exits the car of her own accord, saying: "Wow, really, for a failure to signal? You're doing all of this for a failure to signal?"

Much of what happens next is not seen on camera, but the officer can be heard saying Bland is not compliant.

"When you pull away from me, you're resisting arrest," Encinia says.

A clearly upset Bland can be heard saying: "You're a real man now. You just slammed me, knocked my head in the ground. I got epilepsy you mother******."

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 Post subject: Re: Sandra Bland
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badrogue17 wrote:
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Should I post the myriad cop dashcam videos that shows them being murdered in cold blood at traffic stops?

Sure.

That is problematic. But dangerous criminals are what they signed up for. Citizens didnt sign up to be abused by grown up bullies.

Right. They get shot at traffic stops well that's part of the biz. Don't be a cop if you don't like it. Poor innocent civies though being bullied .

Are you arguing that Cops dont know there is an inherent danger in being a cop?

What are you talking about? It sucks that cops (or anyone, even black people) get murdered.

That doesnt give cops the right to abuse people. The same way that these dickhead cops doing this doesnt justify the murder of cops.


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As I've said before it seems the majority of cops are the same people who were bullies in high school. Most normal people don't want to be cops. The cop situation won't ever get better. This is why when the cop asks you to put your cig out, you should keep your mouth shut and just do it. Everytime you are confronted by a cop, especially as a person of color, you are playing a game of russian roulette. So why add extra bullets to the chamber? Why is this so hard for some of the population to grasp?


Especially if they are short guys. Saw a Prospect Heights cop pulled a guy over yesterday, the cop was probably shorter than Bernstein. He (the cop) was driving an SUV the size of a tank and he was walking up to the car looking all puffed out and manly. I am guessing there was no verbal warning given to that guy.

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This whole notion of cops being a dangerous job is bullshit. They come in too hard n heavy with tech 9's n AR15s ..armored vehicles n flash grenades ..20 people with kevlar n military grade weapons on silly ass shit .

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So I've been busy so fill me in. After the pull over the whole thing escalates because she would not put out the smoke? Not justifying what happened after as I am not up to speed but I have been told sternly in my smoking years to out it out for a stop.

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This whole notion of cops being a dangerous job is bullshit.


Say something else really silly...

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The depressing thing is that unless the FBI does something here, the cop will walk. He'll then "retire" from this hayseed PD & probably find a better job in another hayseed TX PD.

The only saving grace is that the Attorney General's office clearly is looking to nail this great "first responder". :roll:

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So I've been busy so fill me in. After the pull over the whole thing escalates because she would not put out the smoke? Not justifying what happened after as I am not up to speed but I have been told sternly in my smoking years to out it out for a stop.


Watch the video on the first page and you will be up to speed. Probably only need to watch the first 10 mins.

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Seems whatever they could charge him with will not be equal to a murder 2 penalty or something as he didn't kill her.

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