What does all of this have to do with the Cubs' lousy bullpen?

All you have done in this discussion is cherry pick stats, try to insult me several times, throw out one non-sequitir after another, and even get your stats wrong (analytics...really smart people...the plan...DERP).

We are at this point because you refuse to back down from your obviously incorrect position that bullpens aren't important if you have Anthony Rizzo. After making this grand statement, the Cubs' bullpen blew a lead to the worst team in baseball.

When you get a minute, please list some of my terrible Sox thoughts (another non-sequitir), that you referred to earlier. And then explain to the class how those thoughts have anything to do with my original premise.

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A bullpen is no more important than an offense which is no more important than a defense which is no more important than a starting staff.

A good team can excel in one while being terrible in another and still succeed. Period. End of discussion.

By trying to change my earlier statement into meaning 'Rizzo means bullpen has zero impact on a game', you're admitting to not being capable of discussing this topic at any legitimate level. Which is fine... that is how most operate on this forum.

At least the Chicago Cubs are the focal point of Chicago baseball. That should make everyone happy.

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I accept your surrender.

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To clarify, I think you don't know much about baseball. Discussing this with you would be like discussing it with 312player.

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Did multiple "2005 posters" just agree that a strong bullpen was a big reason why they won?

They had 4 consecutive complete game victories in those playoffs, right?
So not only did the bullpen NOT play a role in any of those victories - but they got an entire extra week+ of rest in the month of October?

GREAT logic.

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Ooh, another insult.

Says the guy who isn't worried about a terrible bullpen, because of a good first basemen. Lockdown bullpens are so much more important than a slugging first baseman, when playoff time rolls around. If you fail to understand that, then you baseball knowledge is extremely limited, and you should probably cease insulting others.

Cubbie Nation usually circles when one of their own is being pummeled. You are on an island here. That should be telling.




Yes, take your ball and go home. The strategy deployed by nobody, on the right side of the argument.

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Nobody said they won because of the bullpen. In the WS against Houston, the bullpen pitched 13 innings, and gave up 3 earned runs. Pretty good. Every game was decided by one or two runs. Bullpens, bro.

The bullpen was great all season long. Jenks, Takatsu, Hermanson, Politte, and Cotts were awesome.

The '05 Sox were just one of many examples.

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Cicero Dave was quite clear.

You do not want to discuss this reasonably Chus. I'm not taking my ball and going home. I am here waiting for you to develop some modicum of baseball logic. Until that happens, you might as well be typing askgfksahgjhsadjf iefiwegjsdk ggtiewtuiuwe vijfdibhjfidjhi

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The Sox don't make the playoffs without that Bullpen. The other guys pitched very good and Jenks saved their season once he was called up from the minors.

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One person. I didn't say that.



Sure I do. I have backed up my argument with facts. You have insulted me, disputed facts, got stats wrong, cherry picked stats, thrown out non-sequitirs, etc.

With each post, you have demonstrated that you are incapable of a rational discussion.




Yes, you are. You just think you are being clever by pretending that I don't know anything. Another tactic used by those on the losing end of the argument.

And where are all of my terrible Sox thoughts? It's time to put up, or shut up. This would probably help your lazy, pathetic attempt to paint me as a dumb fan, who is beneath you.

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All I can get out of this thread is that the 2015 Cubs have a better rotation than the 2012 Tigers which I did not know.

And apparently WAR is an acceptable stat for pitchers. Also did not know this.

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You have to have a good team to make the playoffs but once you get their it is no longer about the best team, it is about who gets hot at the right time. I believe it is only four times since they added a round in 1995 has the best regular season record won the World Series.

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now that's true. The "more bites at the apple" theory is really the best. Playoffs are a complete crapshoot. Even with 7 games.

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No, but you did say

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Burned.

Now, could you please post some of my terrible Sox thoughts, to prove what a dumb fan I am?

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I can dedicate no more time to this. Click that...peruse.

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Another Fail. Are we done here?

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You can back out whenever you like. I have no hold over you.

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I graciously accept your surrender.

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You made some dumb comments, and you got called on them. We all strikeout once in a while, champ. Dust yourself off, and get back in the box.

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Again, statement of fact, I have a plethora of statistics that fully support my stance.

You had....nothing? You'd think with all your free time you'd have more time to research and analyze baseball stats.

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Yeah, no.



Now, a personal shot?

You are pathetic.

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Oy, insults are never the way to go. This is a bad look for you.

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Terrible.

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You provided a few cherry picked metrics that show the '15 Cubs starters are better than the '12 Tigers. In your world, this somehow proves that the Cubs can overcome a bad bullpen, because they have Anthony Rizzo. Then you called me stupid a bunch of times.

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Cherry picked?

ERA, ERA+, WHIP, FIP, SO/W... How much else is there?

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You cherry picked the 2012 team. What about the 2014 Tigers? They couldn't even get to the WS with Scherzer, Price, and Sanchez, and a great lineup, because their pen was atrocious.

None of this has anything to do with me rebutting your claim that the Cubs are two players away from being as good as the '14 Royals, unless those two players are Greg Holland and Wade Davis. Even then, they aren't as good. BTW, the '15 Royals appear to be even better than last year, so it's all just a non-starter.

If you are content being a fanboy, that's great. You're certainly not alone.

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Good news for me that the 2015 Cubs have better starting pitching stats than the 2014 Tigers as well.

You should really look this stuff up first before posting. Truly. It would save you the time of creating the post and save me the time of looking it up.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams ... hing.shtml

Nary one SP with an ERA under 3. Again, Cubs with better ERA, ERA+, WHIP, FIP, and SO/W.

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And none of that has anything to do with the importance of bullpens, especially in the playoffs.

I have not heeded the sage advice handed down to me years ago. Those words of wisdom are, "Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience."

Truer words were never spoken, and for that, I have failed.

My work here is done. I can lead some bitter grapes to water, but I can't make a fallen tree drink water in the forest.


Now, I must take my facts and logic back to my trailer in Sox subdivision. There is no place for them here. Cook up another batch of meth, Someguy, I'm coming home.

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