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 Post subject: Re: Sandra Bland
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And over 30,000 people are killed in car accidents every year in America. Which means you would be better off joining the Army and being sent to Afghanistan than driving to work.
This response is so far off the rails I don't even know how to respond.

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And over 30,000 people are killed in car accidents every year in America. Which means you would be better off joining the Army and being sent to Afghanistan than driving to work.
This response is so far off the rails I don't even know how to respond.


Not really. Were talking about whats more dangerous. You said more truck drivers are killed therefore it is more dangerous than being a cop.

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Agreed. But they are dangerous for different reasons.

The iron worker isn't being targeted for injury. The truck driver isn't either.

And all of that is before you get to the stress that cops deal with on a daily basis.
Who cares if they are "targeted for injury" or not? I'd still rather have a smaller chance of dying.

It wouldn't make me feel any better knowing the iron beam didn't want to crush me.


I'm sure they do. Along with their friends and loved ones.

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I think police have a dangerous job, I sure as hell wouldn't want to be in that profession.
Statistically, it really isn't a dangerous job. It's more dangerous to be a truck driver.

That maybe so, just stating how I feel.
I'm stating what it actually is.


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the recruitment and training favors wannabe heroes with hair triggers.


People who offer opinions based on nothing but their own stupid conjecture bother me. Police Departments give candidates a battery of tests, beginning with a written exam that determines their basic knowledge and understanding of the law, as well as basic reasoning and powers of observation. They also utilize a physical abilities test, a background investigation, a psychological exam, as well as a polygraph exam. I am not sure if things have changed, but when I went through that process there was little emphasis on examining attitudes regarding race. Perhaps that could be an issue that should be examined better. I agree, the officer in this situation did his job poorly. There was no good reason to require this woman to exit her vehicle. She should have complied, to avoid further problems, but she never should have been instructed to. It was an order made in response to her refusal to put her cigarette out, thereby defying the officer. Stupid and unnecessary. She did violate traffic law, but I suspect she was pulled over due to her race and treated poorly due to her race, as well as her unwillingness to bow to the officer.

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the recruitment and training favors wannabe heroes with hair triggers.


People who offer opinions based on nothing but their own stupid conjecture bother me. Police Departments give candidates a battery of tests, beginning with a written exam that determines their basic knowledge and understanding of the law, as well as basic reasoning and powers of observation. They also utilize a physical abilities test, a background investigation, a psychological exam, as well as a polygraph exam.

US Court Says it’s Okay for Police Departments to Refuse to Hire Someone who is Too Smart
By Matt Agorist on September 28, 2014

Ever wonder why cops yell “quit resisting” as they beat a person who’s not resisting? Or why they shoot people who pose no threat? Maybe the answer is right in front of us.
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The Wonderlic Cognitive Ability Test is a popular group intelligence test used to assess the aptitude of prospective employees for learning and problem-solving in a range of occupations. Throughout both the U.S. and Canada, many police forces require candidates to take this test as one of the qualifications prior to being hired.

The standard range of scores applied for police officers is a score between 20 and 27. According to ABC News, The average score nationally for police officers is 21 to 22, the equivalent of an IQ of 104, or just a little above average. A perfect score on the Wonderlic is a 50.

On March 16, 1996 Robert Jordan from Connecticut, and 500 others underwent a written screening process which included the Wonderlic Test, conducted by the Law Enforcement Council of Southeastern Connecticut, Inc. (“LEC”), a coalition of fourteen cities and towns, in order to apply for a position as a police officer.

Several months later Jordan learned that the city of New London started interviewing candidates. After not hearing from them, Jordan inquired as to why he was passed over.

Jordan eventually learned from assistant city manager Keith Harrigan that he would not be interviewed because he “didn’t fit the profile.”

Thinking it was obviously age discrimination because he was 46 at the time, Jordan filed an administrative complaint with the Connecticut Commission on Human Rights and Opportunities.

The response that he received was completely out of left field. The city responded that it removed Jordan from consideration because he scored a 33 on the Wonderlic Cognitive Ability Test, and that to prevent frequent job turnover caused by hiring overqualified applicants the city only interviewed candidates who scored between 20 and 27.

The city of New London claims that “People within certain ranges achieve a degree of job satisfaction and are likely to be happy and therefore stay on the job.” They apparently believed that Jordan was too smart to be happy being a cop.

This reasoning did not seem logical to Jordon so he filed a civil rights action in the District Court for the District of Connecticut alleging that the city and Harrigan denied him equal protection in violation of the Fourteenth Amendment and Article 4, Section 20, of the Connecticut Constitution.

On August 29, 1999 the court granted defendants’ motion for summary judgment citing “no suspect classification and that defendants had ‘shown . . . a rational basis’ for the policy.”
Jordan, thinking that this must be just a fluke ruling, then appealed and brought his case to the US Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit.


In the interim Jordan conducted his own research which showed that high scores do not actually correlate with experiencing more job dissatisfaction. The court ruled that despite the evidence to the contrary of New London’s claim, they are still justified in refusing applicants with high IQs “because it matters not whether the city’s decision was correct so long as it was rational.”

Because all applicants were denied based on high test scores, there was no discrimination taking place.
This decision by the US Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit to condone the ability of police departments to discriminate against smart people is one of the most profoundly ridiculous moves ever made. But it also tends to explain the state of police departments today.

It takes a special kind of person to go to work every day and harass, kidnap, and kill people for victimless crimes. The act of unquestioningly carrying out orders to ruin the lives of good people whose only “crime” was to do with their own body as they wish, would eventually have to raise the eyebrow of a person with a higher level of intelligence…or so we’d like to think.

Knowing that this ability to discriminate against intelligence in police departments exists tends to put ‘Police State USA’ in perspective. In the past decade we’ve seen heavily militarized actions against non-violent protesters. We’ve even seen school districts accepting MRAPs! And we’ve watched from the sidelines as Mayberry transformed to Martial Law.

A smart person does not create a domestic standing army and call it freedom.
A smart person does not deliberately tear gas journalists. A smart person does not point a rifle an an innocent person and tell them that they are going to kill him. A smart person does not severely beat a person with down syndrome because he sees a bulge in his pants, which is actually a colostomy bag. A smart person does not continuously shoot at an unarmed man who posed zero threat and whose arms are in the air.

If more people knew this information you could rest assured that they would try and reform their police departments. No one wants their police officers to be unintelligent, right?

Controversial filmmaker Michael Moore helped to expose what happened to Jordan as well as the ridiculous notion of discriminating based on intelligence levels, on his show “The Awful Truth.” The 8 minute segment, while hilarious, paints an ominous picture of adhering to such tactics.



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 Post subject: Re: Sandra Bland
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And over 30,000 people are killed in car accidents every year in America. Which means you would be better off joining the Army and being sent to Afghanistan than driving to work.
This response is so far off the rails I don't even know how to respond.


Not really. Were talking about whats more dangerous. You said more truck drivers are killed therefore it is more dangerous than being a cop.
You aren't making a valid comparison though that takes into account the total number of people who participate in that activity. I would assume the fatality rate for a soldier in a war zone is much higher than the fatality rate of driving.

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Agreed. But they are dangerous for different reasons.

The iron worker isn't being targeted for injury. The truck driver isn't either.

And all of that is before you get to the stress that cops deal with on a daily basis.
Who cares if they are "targeted for injury" or not? I'd still rather have a smaller chance of dying.

It wouldn't make me feel any better knowing the iron beam didn't want to crush me.


I'm sure they do. Along with their friends and loved ones.
Why would it matter? The person is still gone.

Do they make a card that says "I'm sorry your loved one was killed by a ton of iron, but at least they weren't shot by a gun"?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Agreed. But they are dangerous for different reasons.

The iron worker isn't being targeted for injury. The truck driver isn't either.

And all of that is before you get to the stress that cops deal with on a daily basis.
Who cares if they are "targeted for injury" or not? I'd still rather have a smaller chance of dying.

It wouldn't make me feel any better knowing the iron beam didn't want to crush me.


I'm sure they do. Along with their friends and loved ones.
Why would it matter? The person is still gone. Non sequitur

Do they make a card that says "I'm sorry your loved one was killed by a ton of iron, but at least they weren't shot by a gun"? red herring


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I'm sure they do. Along with their friends and loved ones.
Why would it matter? The person is still gone. Non sequitur

Do they make a card that says "I'm sorry your loved one was killed by a ton of iron, but at least they weren't shot by a gun"? red herring[/quote]It isn't a non sequitur. The point is that truck drivers have a better chance of dying. You are saying it makes a difference if they are targeted for injury. I'm saying that doesn't matter. Thats a non non sequitor.

The end result is still the same and the end result happens more often for truck drivers than it does for cops.

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Chicago cops start at 55k with o.t. it's in the 80s in Rookie year. I know some guys making 125 k yearly ... Pension is real sweet ... I know lotta guys pulling in 60k a year and when they die the wife gets half if that yearly until her death...lotta cops already pulled in over a million in pension alone ...they are going to be around another 10-15 years.

Wow look at how great they have it!!!

Another perk is that they can do whatever they want up to and including murder and have people arguing on their behalf and calling them heroes




Another perk - very rare to get a DUI or speeding tickets when you are off duty .

Its virtually impossible to get fired..even if the City pays out hundreds of thousands of dollars or more ..because said Cop really fucked up.

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Agreed. But they are dangerous for different reasons.

The iron worker isn't being targeted for injury. The truck driver isn't either.

And all of that is before you get to the stress that cops deal with on a daily basis.
Who cares if they are "targeted for injury" or not? I'd still rather have a smaller chance of dying.

It wouldn't make me feel any better knowing the iron beam didn't want to crush me.


I'm sure they do. Along with their friends and loved ones.
Why would it matter? The person is still gone.

Do they make a card that says "I'm sorry your loved one was killed by a ton of iron, but at least they weren't shot by a gun"?


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Fox News’ Elisabeth Hasselbeck says Sandra Bland could have used cigarette as a weapon

On Monday morning’s Fox and Friends, co-host Elisabeth Hasselbeck suggested that the Texas state trooper who arrested Sandra Bland wanted her to put out her cigarette because she might use it as a weapon.

Media Matters reported that Hasselbeck was speaking to former New York Police Department officer John Rafferty about the dashcam footage of Bland’s arrest on July 10.

Rafferty said that Trooper Brian Encinia was placed on administrative duty by his department. They acknowledged that the officer stepped over the line in his violent arrest of Bland, who had merely changed lanes without using a signal.

“It appears, looking at this, because she didn’t put out the cigarette next thing he knows, he’s asking the person to step out of the vehicle,” Rafferty said about Encinia. “You can’t take it personal. It’s the job.”

“But, what if, I mean, there are times, I’m sure, someone has, in the history of this land, used a cigarette against a police officer,” said Hasselbeck, “maybe chucked it at him, pushed it at him.”

“Absolutely,” said Rafferty.

“If he indeed felt it could be a potential threat, was that the wise thing to do?” she went on.

“I think because you know, you have to know you’re being recorded — you have to say, ‘Listen I need you to step out to sign this warning,'” said Rafferty. “I wouldn’t want somebody stepping out with a cigarette. I mean, I’ve had a cigarette tried to be — I’ve had somebody try to put a cigarette out on me. It happens. I guarantee, you speak to many cops out there. But the way you say it, unfortunately you’re locked into it. Because now, it’s being recorded. Unfortunately, these officers have to remember that.”


http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/fox-news-elisabeth-hasselbeck-says-sandra-bland-could-have-used-cigarette-as-a-weapon/

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She was smoking or ingested marijuana 4 hours before her death. How do you get marijuana in lockup?

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On Monday morning’s Fox and Friends, co-host Elisabeth Hasselbeck suggested that the Texas state trooper who arrested Sandra Bland wanted her to put out her cigarette because she might use it as a weapon.

Media Matters reported that Hasselbeck was speaking to former New York Police Department officer John Rafferty about the dashcam footage of Bland’s arrest on July 10.

Rafferty said that Trooper Brian Encinia was placed on administrative duty by his department. They acknowledged that the officer stepped over the line in his violent arrest of Bland, who had merely changed lanes without using a signal.

“It appears, looking at this, because she didn’t put out the cigarette next thing he knows, he’s asking the person to step out of the vehicle,” Rafferty said about Encinia. “You can’t take it personal. It’s the job.”

“But, what if, I mean, there are times, I’m sure, someone has, in the history of this land, used a cigarette against a police officer,” said Hasselbeck, “maybe chucked it at him, pushed it at him.”

“Absolutely,” said Rafferty.

“If he indeed felt it could be a potential threat, was that the wise thing to do?” she went on.

“I think because you know, you have to know you’re being recorded — you have to say, ‘Listen I need you to step out to sign this warning,'” said Rafferty. “I wouldn’t want somebody stepping out with a cigarette. I mean, I’ve had a cigarette tried to be — I’ve had somebody try to put a cigarette out on me. It happens. I guarantee, you speak to many cops out there. But the way you say it, unfortunately you’re locked into it. Because now, it’s being recorded. Unfortunately, these officers have to remember that.”


http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/fox-news-elisabeth-hasselbeck-says-sandra-bland-could-have-used-cigarette-as-a-weapon/
:lol: :lol: She's the fucking Matt Abbatacola in a roster of Matt Abbatacolas over at Fox.

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Fox News’ Elisabeth Hasselbeck says Sandra Bland could have used cigarette as a weapon

On Monday morning’s Fox and Friends, co-host Elisabeth Hasselbeck suggested that the Texas state trooper who arrested Sandra Bland wanted her to put out her cigarette because she might use it as a weapon.

Media Matters reported that Hasselbeck was speaking to former New York Police Department officer John Rafferty about the dashcam footage of Bland’s arrest on July 10.

Rafferty said that Trooper Brian Encinia was placed on administrative duty by his department. They acknowledged that the officer stepped over the line in his violent arrest of Bland, who had merely changed lanes without using a signal.

“It appears, looking at this, because she didn’t put out the cigarette next thing he knows, he’s asking the person to step out of the vehicle,” Rafferty said about Encinia. “You can’t take it personal. It’s the job.”

“But, what if, I mean, there are times, I’m sure, someone has, in the history of this land, used a cigarette against a police officer,” said Hasselbeck, “maybe chucked it at him, pushed it at him.”

“Absolutely,” said Rafferty.

“If he indeed felt it could be a potential threat, was that the wise thing to do?” she went on.

“I think because you know, you have to know you’re being recorded — you have to say, ‘Listen I need you to step out to sign this warning,'” said Rafferty. “I wouldn’t want somebody stepping out with a cigarette. I mean, I’ve had a cigarette tried to be — I’ve had somebody try to put a cigarette out on me. It happens. I guarantee, you speak to many cops out there. But the way you say it, unfortunately you’re locked into it. Because now, it’s being recorded. Unfortunately, these officers have to remember that.”


http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/fox-news-elisabeth-hasselbeck-says-sandra-bland-could-have-used-cigarette-as-a-weapon/
:lol: :lol: She's the fucking Matt Abbatacola in a roster of Matt Abbatacolas over at Fox.






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I would. She must have learned this from Whoopi. I saw a top 10 of things and people Whoopi has defended yesterday and it was sad. Zero credibility.

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Heres an idea, everyone, dont fucking go to Texas! Ever!

"Oh I got this great new job in Texas, I should take it. I hear it is nice down there." Then you wind up slaving 80 hours a week for some libertarian screwball because HARD WORK IS A VIRTUE, IM RUNNING A BUSINESS. What little free time you have is spent running scared from GWOT vets with untreated PTSD and a badge who are quickly realizing that Texas values human life even less than Iraq.

If I knew I was going to be in Texas for anything more than a layover at DFW Id hang myself too.


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Heres an idea, everyone, dont fucking go to Texas! Ever!

"Oh I got this great new job in Texas, I should take it. I hear it is nice down there." Then you wind up slaving 80 hours a week for some libertarian screwball because HARD WORK IS A VIRTUE, IM RUNNING A BUSINESS. What little free time you have is spent running scared from GWOT vets with untreated PTSD and a badge who are quickly realizing that Texas values human life even less than Iraq.

If I knew I was going to be in Texas for anything more than a layover at DFW Id hang myself too.


You're a hyperbole stuffed stupid person.


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 Post subject: Re: Sandra Bland
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America wrote:
Heres an idea, everyone, dont fucking go to Texas! Ever!

"Oh I got this great new job in Texas, I should take it. I hear it is nice down there." Then you wind up slaving 80 hours a week for some libertarian screwball because HARD WORK IS A VIRTUE, IM RUNNING A BUSINESS. What little free time you have is spent running scared from GWOT vets with untreated PTSD and a badge who are quickly realizing that Texas values human life even less than Iraq.

If I knew I was going to be in Texas for anything more than a layover at DFW Id hang myself too.


It's funny how those right wing nuts are all about "freedom" except for the freedom to form a union against their draconian employment practices. I just love their "If you don't like it you can work somewhere else" war cry. But they don't like when the people form a collective and tell them, "Hey, if you don't like it you can do the fuckin' work yourself."

Here's an article about driving in Texas. It will make your hair stand on end.
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/08/12/taken

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN1h5av2Bj0

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 Post subject: Re: Sandra Bland
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Would move to Texas with no problem if the job situation called for it.

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 Post subject: Re: Sandra Bland
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A couple of observations after reading Eric Zorn's Trib column about the Bland stop:

1. While the officer didn't mention it to Bland, it appears that the reason he made a u-turn to follow Bland was because she rolled through a stop sign as she turned right onto the road the officer was on. While we can't be sure of his thought process, I think this provides a better justification for why he turned around and followed her (as opposed to the DWB or out-of-state plates theories).

2. If you are asked to get out of your car by an officer, it might be prudent to make it known that you will not be taken out of the dashcam's field of view (if the officer tries to force you off camera).

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