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I'm never above a good perverted jolly, not in this instance, however. Any word on the respective races of those involved? Not that it makes any difference to the stiff, just perverted curiosity on my part.

Doesn't make any difference when cops shoot people either but like Darko stated, its usually the first sentence.

Since same color on same color crimes also don't seem get much press in this country, as they don't fit the narrative. What are we to assume about this latest incident?


Police abusing their power, and killing people isn't a narrative. It's a disgusting reality.

If you've read my thoughts about these matters, you know full well you're preaching to the choir. However, if you deny certain situations are treated differently by the press, then you're quite naive or blind to reality.

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Police abusing their power, and killing people isn't a narrative. It's a disgusting reality.

If you've read my thoughts about these matters, you know full well you're preaching to the choir. However, if you deny certain situations are treated differently by the press, then you're quite naive or blind to reality.


That's because they are two completely different situations.

"To protect and serve" or something something.

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Chus wrote:
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Police abusing their power, and killing people isn't a narrative. It's a disgusting reality.

If you've read my thoughts about these matters, you know full well you're preaching to the choir. However, if you deny certain situations are treated differently by the press, then you're quite naive or blind to reality.


That's because they are two completely different situations.

"To protect and serve" or something something.

Gotcha, when they're shot protecting and serving, it's not an issue because that doesn't forward the narrative. Thanks for clarifying.

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Mr. Reason wrote:
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Police abusing their power, and killing people isn't a narrative. It's a disgusting reality.

If you've read my thoughts about these matters, you know full well you're preaching to the choir. However, if you deny certain situations are treated differently by the press, then you're quite naive or blind to reality.


That's because they are two completely different situations.

"To protect and serve" or something something.

Gotcha, when they're shot protecting and serving, it's not an issue because that doesn't forward the narrative. Thanks for clarifying.


They are supposed to protect and serve. Not shoot you in the face for talking shit, running away, or selling loose cigarettes.

You are making a false equivalency.

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Chus wrote:
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If you've read my thoughts about these matters, you know full well you're preaching to the choir. However, if you deny certain situations are treated differently by the press, then you're quite naive or blind to reality.


That's because they are two completely different situations.

"To protect and serve" or something something.

Gotcha, when they're shot protecting and serving, it's not an issue because that doesn't forward the narrative. Thanks for clarifying.


They are supposed to protect and serve. Not shoot you in the face for talking shit, running away, or selling loose cigarettes.

You are making a false equivalency.

What does any of that have to do with the press coverage of this case?

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That's because they are two completely different situations.

"To protect and serve" or something something.

Gotcha, when they're shot protecting and serving, it's not an issue because that doesn't forward the narrative. Thanks for clarifying.


They are supposed to protect and serve. Not shoot you in the face for talking shit, running away, or selling loose cigarettes.

You are making a false equivalency.

What does any of that have to do with the press coverage of this case?


You don't think it's a bigger deal when the police kill more than 100 people in a month, compared to one lunatic killing a cop?

To Protect and Serve. As far as I know, perps on the street don't take an oath like that.

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Chus wrote:
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Gotcha, when they're shot protecting and serving, it's not an issue because that doesn't forward the narrative. Thanks for clarifying.


They are supposed to protect and serve. Not shoot you in the face for talking shit, running away, or selling loose cigarettes.

You are making a false equivalency.

What does any of that have to do with the press coverage of this case?


You don't think it's a bigger deal when the police kill more than 100 people in a month, compared to one lunatic killing a cop?

To Protect and Serve. As far as I know, perps on the street don't take an oath like that.

Again, if you've read my thoughts about police abuse on this site and I know you have. You know full well I have been consistent on the matter. I am in no way, shape, manner or form in the tank for the cops. However, right now, you and I are talking about the press coverage of this particular story. Your non sequiturs do not address my point.

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How is it a non-sequitir when I suggest that cops killing more than 100 people in one month, is a bigger story than one lunatic killing a cop, thus deserving more media coverage? Just because you don't like my answer, doesn't mean that I am giving non-sequitirs.

It seems that if I don't blame the liberal media, you will continue to accuse me of throwing out non-sequitirs.

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I'm still all for murderers being arrested and prosecuted.

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How is it a non-sequitir when I suggest that cops killing more than 100 people in one month, is a bigger story than one lunatic killing a cop, thus deserving more media coverage?

It seems that if I don't blame the liberal media, you will continue to accuse me of throwing out non-sequitirs.

Not at all. I asked you to comment on the coverage of this particular story. You chose to bring up other cases and not comment about the initial coverage of this particular story. Hence, the non sequitur.

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I'm still all for murderers being arrested and prosecuted.

For the first time in my life, I agree with a fucking Douchebag.

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How is it a non-sequitir when I suggest that cops killing more than 100 people in one month, is a bigger story than one lunatic killing a cop, thus deserving more media coverage?

It seems that if I don't blame the liberal media, you will continue to accuse me of throwing out non-sequitirs.

Not at all. I asked you to comment on the coverage of this particular story. You chose to bring up other cases and not comment about the initial coverage of this particular story. Hence, the non sequitur.


Is it possible that at the time of the first report, that the race of the shooter was unknown, hence no mention of it?

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I'm still all for murderers being arrested and prosecuted.

I agree with Douchebag.


I do too, but I don't need to bloviate about the liberal media to do so.

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Chus wrote:
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I'm still all for murderers being arrested and prosecuted.

I agree with Douchebag.


I do too, but I don't need to bloviate about the liberal media to do so.

No, you just do everything you can to deny reality.

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I'm still all for murderers being arrested and prosecuted.

I agree with Douchebag.


I do too, but I don't need to bloviate about the liberal media to do so.

No, you just do everything you can to deny reality.


Maybe that's your reality. I will ask again.

Is it possible that at the time of the first report, the race of the shooter was unknown, hence no mention of it?

When the white cop is on camera shooting somebody, we know the race of the shooter.

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Chus wrote:
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How is it a non-sequitir when I suggest that cops killing more than 100 people in one month, is a bigger story than one lunatic killing a cop, thus deserving more media coverage?

It seems that if I don't blame the liberal media, you will continue to accuse me of throwing out non-sequitirs.

Not at all. I asked you to comment on the coverage of this particular story. You chose to bring up other cases and not comment about the initial coverage of this particular story. Hence, the non sequitur.


Is it possible that at the time of the first report, that the race of the shooter was unknown, hence no mention of it?

Could very well be. You've got a lot of time on your hands. What's the timestamp of the story compared to the timestamp of the incident? Do you think they knew who the perp was before the story broke? I'm just asking questions, I don't know. This isn't a story that could be exploited and was treated as such. Oh, and for the record, in case you missed most of my posts over the last, I don't know, ten years, it's too easy for citizens to be pulled over by the cops.

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Is it possible that at the time of the first report, that the race of the shooter was unknown, hence no mention of it?

Could very well be. You've got a lot of time on your hands. What's the timestamp of the story compared to the timestamp of the incident?


Why is the burden of proof on me? This is your cross to bear.

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Is it possible that at the time of the first report, that the race of the shooter was unknown, hence no mention of it?

Could very well be. You've got a lot of time on your hands. What's the timestamp of the story compared to the timestamp of the incident?


Why is the burden of proof on me? This is your cross to bear.

I have no cross to bear. I only posed a question of why this story is covered differently than one which would further the narrative of the day. You took the opposite stance. You have all the answers. I just figured you could enlighten me. I guess I was wrong.

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Ill be very surprised now that its known that whenever this case is brought up by the media in the future that it will read WHITE OFFICER WHO WAS SHOT AND KILLED BY BLACK SUSPECT.

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I have no cross to bear.


Yeah, no.

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I only posed a question of why this story is covered differently than one which would further the narrative of the day. You took the opposite stance.

What stance did you take, other than vaguely and lazily calling out the liberal media?

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You have all the answers. I just figured you could enlighten me. I guess I was wrong.


How about this story broke on a Sunday, and hasn't hit the news cycles yet?

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Just a drive-by interjection of the fact that there is no legal mandate whatsoever for police to, as they say, "protect and serve". You've got a better case prosecuting "All Temperature Cheer".

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Just a drive-by interjection of the fact that there is no legal mandate whatsoever for police to, as they say, "protect and serve". You've got a better case prosecuting "All Temperature Cheer".


Fuck Cheer. All temperature, my ass.

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Just a drive-by interjection of the fact that there is no legal mandate whatsoever for police to, as they say, "protect and serve". You've got a better case prosecuting "All Temperature Cheer".


Fuck Cheer. All temperature, my ass.


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I have no cross to bear.


Yeah, no.

Mr. Reason wrote:
I only posed a question of why this story is covered differently than one which would further the narrative of the day. You took the opposite stance.

Chus wrote:
What stance did you take, other than vaguely and lazily calling out the liberal media?


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You have all the answers. I just figured you could enlighten me. I guess I was wrong.


How about this story broke on a Sunday, and hasn't hit the news cycles yet?

I don't recall mentioning anything about the 'liberal' media. You're putting words in my mouth.

Come on, you're not that naive. We have a 24/7 news cycle. Whatever fits will be top story, no matter the timestamp.

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I don't recall mentioning anything about the 'liberal' media. You're putting words in my mouth.


C'mon man. Your whole thing about media coverage isn't about how the liberal media doesn't want to say it was a black guy killing a white cop?

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Come on, you're not that naive. We have a 24/7 news cycle. Whatever fits will be top story, no matter the timestamp.


I didn't even know about this incident, until I read this thread. We had family over today. I consumed nothing other than some baseball and golf, and of course the Phish stream that I have been listening to since about 7:30.

I want to pour a glass of Crown Royal, but I can't argue with a man of your stature, if I am getting buzzed. Let's get to the final act.

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Chus wrote:
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I don't recall mentioning anything about the 'liberal' media. You're putting words in my mouth.


C'mon man. Your whole thing about media coverage isn't about how the liberal media doesn't want to say it was a black guy killing a white cop?

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Come on, you're not that naive. We have a 24/7 news cycle. Whatever fits will be top story, no matter the timestamp.


I didn't even know about this incident, until I read this thread. We had family over today. I consumed nothing other than some baseball and golf, and of course the Phish stream that I have been listening to since about 7:30.

I want to pour a glass of Crown Royal, but I can't argue with a man of your stature, if I am getting buzzed. Let's get to the final act.

I never said any of that. I just asked questions about the coverage and your defensive response spoke volumes. You're nothing if not consistent. I hope your family gathering was pleasant and you won any bets you placed. If you bet on the Sock, my condolences. Enjoy your Crown Royal, my friend.

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I never said any of that.


You inferred it. It certainly wasn't a commentary on conservative media, who would make sure everybody knows the shooter was black. Like you would say, just own it.

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I just asked questions about the coverage and your defensive response spoke volumes. You're nothing if not consistent.


I was just bringing up a different point of view. If I was defensive, then you were on the offensive. Different sides of the same coin. Just own it.


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I hope your family gathering was pleasant


It was, until we had to run inside to hide from the storms that blew through about 2:30.

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and you won any bets you placed.


I haven't placed a bet in ten weeks or so. I am on hiatus.

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If you bet on the Sock, my condolences.


See above. But when I do, I bet with my head, not my heart.

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Enjoy your Crown Royal, my friend.


Thank you, my friend.

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The reaction of the police is also worth noting. In cases of police brutality the police typically get away with it. It's not about the crime, it's also the ensuing coverup and acquittal which has people up in arms.

In cases where the police are murdered isn't the perpetrator typically captured? How often are the individuals charged in cop killings convicted? That's the larger issue.

The actions of police are one thing, but the larger issue relates to the belief that the police will always get away with something no matter how heinous the crime. This is what's most upsetting.

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The reaction of the police is also worth noting. In cases of police brutality the police typically get away with it. It's not about the crime, it's also the ensuing coverup and acquittal which has people up in arms.

In cases where the police are murdered isn't the perpetrator typically captured? How often are the individuals charged in cop killings convicted? That's the larger issue.

The actions of police are one thing, but the larger issue relates to the belief that the police will always get away with something no matter how heinous the crime. This is what's most upsetting.


I imagine if I were on video following a cop down the street and telling him I'm going to "put a hole in his head" I would probably have a problem. No one would come to my defense talking about how hard my job is or how stressful my life can be. They would call me a criminal and I would be immediately arrested.

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