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 Post subject: Re: A. Russell
PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 12:40 pm 
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In 2015 he does. Russell isn't much better.

already a FAR SUPERIOR fielder. the bat will come

simply, russell's baseball intelligence at 21 trumps whatever is rattling in Castro's noggin.

a vet like castro shouldn't shit his pants as consistently as he does. he's an embarrassment.

At 21, we were praising Castro just the same.

And again, Russell's fielding percentage isn't immensely better.

russell has better range. he goes up the middle with ease. looks natural with the glove.


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In 2015 he does. Russell isn't much better.

already a FAR SUPERIOR fielder. the bat will come

simply, russell's baseball intelligence at 21 trumps whatever is rattling in Castro's noggin.

a vet like castro shouldn't shit his pants as consistently as he does. he's an embarrassment.

At 21, we were praising Castro just the same.

And again, Russell's fielding percentage isn't immensely better.

I don't think we were ever praising Castro's intelligence. And I don't think we were waiting on his hitting either.

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 Post subject: Re: A. Russell
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Addison Russell has a RF/9 of 3.38 versus Castro's RF/9 of 4.44 this year, and 4.38 for his career.

Castro gets to more balls.

edit: If you look at Russell's RF numbers throughout his minor leagues, Castro still has the edge.

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 Post subject: Re: A. Russell
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Dont need any stats to know which player is going to be better.

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 Post subject: Re: A. Russell
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I don't need stats to know that only one of them gets to play their natural position....

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 Post subject: Re: A. Russell
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I don't need stats to know that only one of them gets to play their natural position....

And I just don't need any more if IMU's stats.

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 Post subject: Re: A. Russell
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I don't need stats to know that only one of them gets to play their natural position....

I'm comparing career numbers SS to SS. Not SS to 2B.

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 Post subject: Re: A. Russell
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Addison Russell has a RF/9 of 3.38 versus Castro's RF/9 of 4.44 this year, and 4.38 for his career.

Castro gets to more balls.

edit: If you look at Russell's RF numbers throughout his minor leagues, Castro still has the edge.

You're using the 5 games Russell played SS vs the Castro's career?


Russell's UZR is second among 2B in MLB and first in UZR/150


Russell UZR = +5.5
Castro = -2.5


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 Post subject: Re: A. Russell
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rogers park bryan wrote:
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Addison Russell has a RF/9 of 3.38 versus Castro's RF/9 of 4.44 this year, and 4.38 for his career.

Castro gets to more balls.

edit: If you look at Russell's RF numbers throughout his minor leagues, Castro still has the edge.

You're using the 5 games Russell played SS vs the Castro's career?


Russell's UZR is second among 2B in MLB and first in UZR/150


Russell UZR = +5.5
Castro = -2.5


I used Russell's minor league numbers more recently. Kirkwood said Russell has better range at SS than Castro. This is false.

Russell is the overall better defender though.

Range != UZR.

Range is 1 of 4 components within UZR.

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 Post subject: Re: A. Russell
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You guys get way too much into these stats sometimes. Just watch the games.

I think it's time that Castro comes out for a defensive substitution late in games. It's not like you would miss his bat anyways.


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 Post subject: Re: A. Russell
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Addison Russell has a RF/9 of 3.38 versus Castro's RF/9 of 4.44 this year, and 4.38 for his career.

Castro gets to more balls.

edit: If you look at Russell's RF numbers throughout his minor leagues, Castro still has the edge.

You're using the 5 games Russell played SS vs the Castro's career?


Russell's UZR is second among 2B in MLB and first in UZR/150


Russell UZR = +5.5
Castro = -2.5


I used Russell's minor league numbers more recently. Kirkwood said Russell has better range at SS than Castro. This is false.

Russell is the overall better defender though.

Range != UZR.

Range is 1 of 4 components within UZR.

And the Range (RngR) that is used for UZR has Russell (9.8) way ahead of Castro (0.7)


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 Post subject: Re: A. Russell
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You guys get way too much into these stats sometimes. Just watch the games.

I think it's time that Castro comes out for a defensive substitution late in games. It's not like you would miss his bat anyways.

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 Post subject: Re: A. Russell
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I just watch the games and see Russell go onto the SS side of 2nd base, pop up on his knees and snap a throw to Rizzo like it's nothing.

Russell looks like he "gets it". Seems like he knows where the ball is going and get it.

Castro, maaaaaaaaaan, I don't know. He's had some nice plays this week but he just does too many dumbass things.

A guy like Peralta on the Cards isn't a flashy D guy but gets it done. That's a guy I wish Castro became.


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 Post subject: Re: A. Russell
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imu somewhere along the line you went from a fun cub poster to insufferable stat-bag. your "smartest fan in the room" act is tiring. i know that if watching a ball game turned into a math equation to me like it has for you i would just pack it in.


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 Post subject: Re: A. Russell
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rogers park bryan wrote:
And the Range (RngR) that is used for UZR has Russell (9.8) way ahead of Castro (0.7)

At SS, Russell is a 0.5 and Castro is a 0.7.
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imu somewhere along the line you went from a fun cub poster to insufferable stat-bag. your "smartest fan in the room" act is tiring. i know that if watching a ball game turned into a math equation to me like it has for you i would just pack it in.

Baseball will miss you, but to each his own.

It is too bad many of you find facts to be anathema.

Wouldn't you be more content being able to say "Starlin Castro has more range than Addison Russell" versus "I feel Addison Russell has more range than Starlin Castro."

Since 2010, Castro's overall defensive metrics have been bad. Yet his RngR continuously ranked near the top at SS every season. Range has never been his problem. Bobbling the ball and throwing the ball have been.

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 Post subject: Re: A. Russell
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Who would you rather have at SS, IMU?

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 Post subject: Re: A. Russell
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Who would you rather have at SS, IMU?

Javier Baez, as his defensive stats and metrics are better than both Castro's and Russell's.

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Who would you rather have at SS, IMU?

Javier Baez, as his defensive stats and metrics are better than both Castro's and Russell's.

considering the three of them, where would you play Castro and Russell?

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 Post subject: Re: A. Russell
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One of those players probably isn't in the 2016 Cubs organization. Between Castro, Russell, and Baez...move whichever one results in the best overall return to the Cubs. All factors considered - offense, defense, club control, prospects / players obtained...

Castro is my favorite Cub. Or at least, was. But the Cubs are competing now. This is no time for favorite players. If moving Castro makes the most sense for the health of the organization...move Castro.

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City of Fools wrote:
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Who would you rather have at SS, IMU?

Javier Baez, as his defensive stats and metrics are better than both Castro's and Russell's.

considering the three of them, where would you play Castro and Russell?

Castro - Japan
Russell - SS
Baez - 2B


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 Post subject: Re: A. Russell
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IMU wrote:
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I don't need stats to know that only one of them gets to play their natural position....

I'm comparing career numbers SS to SS. Not SS to 2B.


How can you compare career numbers to someone that hasn't had a career at that position yet? Why didn't you post the error difference between the two players?

Castro 27 his rookie year 29 his second year.
Russell has only 9 and he is not even playing his natural position.

We all know you need to redeem yourself over the B.Jackson idiocy. But trying to convince us Castro is as good or better then Russell at defense is not helping.


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 Post subject: Re: A. Russell
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I don't need stats to know that only one of them gets to play their natural position....

I'm comparing career numbers SS to SS. Not SS to 2B.


How can you compare career numbers to someone that hasn't had a career at that position yet? Why didn't you post the error difference between the two players?

Castro 27 his rookie year 29 his second year.
Russell has only 9 and he is not even playing his natural position.

We all know you need to redeem yourself over the B.Jackson idiocy. But trying to convince us Castro is as good or better then Russell at defense is not helping.

But he has 8,347 percentages that will show you.

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Why didn't you post the error difference between the two players?

I did. It is called fielding percentage. Castro has better SS numbers than Russell. Minors and majors combined.

I'm not going to be unfair to Addison Russell and point out his 2B numbers. Because he is dead last in fielding percentage among qualified second basemen.

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 Post subject: Re: A. Russell
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I don't need stats to know that only one of them gets to play their natural position....



What the fuck is a "natural position"?

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I don't need stats to know that only one of them gets to play their natural position....

And I just don't need any more if IMU's stats.

:lol: :lol:

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But trying to convince us Castro is as good or better then Russell at defense is not helping.

I wouldn't try to convince you of that because it is not true. I'm not trying to convince you of anything.

I'm telling you that Starlin Castro has better range at shortstop than Addison Russell. Not a better glove. Not a better arm. Better range.

Fielding percentage...take that how you will. Again, I'm only stating facts.

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Addison Russell has a RF/9 of 3.38 versus Castro's RF/9 of 4.44 this year, and 4.38 for his career.

Castro gets to more balls.

edit: If you look at Russell's RF numbers throughout his minor leagues, Castro still has the edge.

You're using the 5 games Russell played SS vs the Castro's career?


Russell's UZR is second among 2B in MLB and first in UZR/150


Russell UZR = +5.5
Castro = -2.5


I used Russell's minor league numbers more recently. Kirkwood said Russell has better range at SS than Castro. This is false.

Russell is the overall better defender though.

Range != UZR.

Range is 1 of 4 components within UZR.

And the Range (RngR) that is used for UZR has Russell (9.8) way ahead of Castro (0.7)


Good thing he has good "range"....

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He has so much "range" he doesn't need to watch the batter.

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Atleast he runs the bases like a vet....

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The ball was too close to his glove. Ross should have threw it away from the glove so Castro could use his "range"
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 Post subject: Re: A. Russell
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Let's talk about Castro's 10 GW RBI, tied for 10th (along with Rizzo) in MLB in 2015?

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The ball was too close to his glove. Ross should have threw it away from the glove so Castro to use his "range"
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David Ross, eh? This was from 2011. Also, thrown**

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