That's the problem. In the African American community there is a perception, rightly or wrongly, that the police makes and not necessarily enforces the law.

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That's because you are black, and more likely to commit crimes. I mean, just like at our incarceration rates.

^sarcasm doesn't always translate in print

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There is also the fact that when a cop is shot in Chicago the gangs will give the guy up due to not wanting the area saturated with cops for long periods of time. That is bad for business. Works the same way with little kids who are shot.

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I witnessed this first hand. I happened to be in the President Lounge the night the off duty cop was shot as part of a car jacking. We were in the lounge unaware that someone had been shot outside. The police swarmed the lounge because the cop had just left the place.

There were at least 15 cops on the scene and it appeared as though the entire district was patrolling the surrounding areas. The perpetrators were found in no time. Maybe less than a week. Tops. This happened in Oct or Nov of last yr.

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No, your position was inferred from my statement.

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Like you said, people will read it how they will.

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I reckon so. You inferring what I'm implying?

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Why was this guy even on the street?

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Because he paid a fine and agreed to mental health treatment on July 7th.

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Whoever was doing the supervising for this supervised release, should be fired.

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He robbed a bank got 10 years spent basically none in prison. You find that acceptable? Paying a fine? What the hell.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

Where did I ever say that this was acceptable? You asked how he was on the street, and I answered.

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He turned himself in today.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/f1167eee ... lling-case

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Gonna be a lot of unhappy folks here who were defending him

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How many of the hundred people killed by cops are cases of abuse of power vs not abuse of power?

Alabama Cop Kept His Job After Musing About Murdering Black Man


An Alexander City, Alabama, police officer was recorded speculating about murdering a black man named Vincent Bias, and kept his job after the incident, the Guardian reports.

“If he fucking hit me or threatened my life, I would fucking kill that motherfucker with whatever I had in that fucking house,” officer Troy Middlebrooks can be heard saying on the recording. “And before the police got here, I’d fucking put marks all over my shit and make it look like he was trying to fucking kill me...What would it look like? Self fucking defense.”

Middlebrooks was speaking to Bias’ brother-in-law in May 2013, who began recording after the officer allegedly referred to Bias as “that genius.” (The brother-in-law is white.) Middlebrooks was apparently upset that Bias, whom he had reportedly arrested on drug charges, had been released on bail, and made the comment after insinuating that Bias had acted violently toward his family. The murder-and-coverup plot was offered as an example of what Middlebrooks would do if he were in the brother-in-law’s situation.

The city paid Bias $35,000 to settle a lawsuit stemming from the tape, according to the Guardian.



Alexander City police chief Willie Robinson told the Guardian that Middlebrooks was “disciplined” over the incident. He was not terminated from the force, however, and remains on patrol today. According to the Guardian, Middlebroks was the first Alexander City officer to the scene after Tommy Manness shot and killed Emerson Crayton, an unarmed black man, in March 2014. Manness claimed that Crayton was attempting to hit Manness with his car, and was found not at fault for the killing.

Robinson defended Middlebrooks to the Guardian, stating that the cop was “just talking” and didn’t mean what he said. He also stressed that Middlebrooks said he’d murder Bias if he were Bias’ brother-in-law, not that he’d do it himself. “He wasn’t saying that he was going to do that,” Robinson said. “He was talking about the man doing it himself.”

What percentage would you find acceptable?

Man talks about hypothetical situation in which he would defend himself is his life were threatened, and keeps his job.

OH. MY. GOD.




That's does really sound like a "plot."

Society is going down a real slippery slope with this. Every instance in which a cop kills a person is not necessarily a murder or wrongful death.

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What ever percentage of the incidents were not abuses of power or with malicious intent. There are times when they are protecting themselves or the general public.

Really?

If it's actually self defense, then he wouldnt have to make it look like anything, right? This is clearly a guy fantasizing about killing some guy he doesnt like.

I think some people find it troubling that a cop has a whole plan to "make it look like self defense" set up in case he kills someone.

And yes, killing someone and then making it look like self defense would qualify as a "plot"


On top of all that, if the guy is stupid enough to vocalize that stuff (with racial slurs included), he shouldnt be in a position of power like being a cop because he's flat out too dumb.

I agree.

Of course not. But some of them are and in this day and age the general public is finding out.


There are many situations where people refer to "suicide by cop". That happens and obviously you dont fault the cops in those situations.

But even if 95% are justified, we still need to deal with the 5%


But we need to be vigilant and non tolerant of the unwarranted ones. Especially the CLEARLY unwarranted ones.

After being released on bail Bias reportedly acted violently towards the arresting officer's family. Saying he would defend himself and his family if attacked doesn't sound unreasonable.

It begs the question of just where will the outrage emanate? Will the outrage originate with Sharpton? What about Jackson? What will the usual suspects state about this situation?

I understand that the alleged perpetrator was captured, but it should not simply end there. The cop was killed for stopping a drug transaction. It was a petty ass drug transaction at that. It's the only type of transaction being conducted in African American communities these days.

Will there be a call from African American leaders to stop drug dealing in black communities? Will they organize marches or seek out the media as a means of highlighting the negative effects of drugs or will they continuously bellyache about black incarceration rates?

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Yea, but that's not the issue. The issue is him explaining how he would cover it up and "make it look like" self defense. That clearly indicates that he's talking about a situation where it wouldnt ACTUALLY BE self defense.


It's a recording of a Cop explicitly stating how he would break the law to avoid getting in trouble for murdering someone. I dont know how you can justify that.

As a great philosopher once said.

Instead of war on poverty,
they got a war on drugs so the police can bother me.

Anyway, I dont want to argue about cops and their motivations today. Agree to disagree, Tad.

Im a huge Tad guy

The police are largely to blame for the current situation. Racism in this country has been condoned and perpetuated to a large extent by police officers. They have been the offenders in a number of instances historically. The notion that the word Justice meant for African Americans "Just Us", is very real.

However, credibility will be lost if offenders are continuously made out to be the victim. There is a sort of group think forming which places every officer under suspicion whenever a person is killed. I believe that is equally wrong.

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