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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 7:41 pm 
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Gut feeling is all as well as some of the noise being talked about. Just really sounds familiar to the N. Korea thing. They say we will do this give us our money back and nothing changed. Now you got the idiot's idiot son sitting on a nuke.

North Korea couldn't even blow up a hot dog stand. They are not a threat.



The point isn't threat. The point was acquiring nukes. And ask Seoul not me about if they feel like a hot dog stand.

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Gut feeling is all as well as some of the noise being talked about. Just really sounds familiar to the N. Korea thing. They say we will do this give us our money back and nothing changed. Now you got the idiot's idiot son sitting on a nuke.

North Korea couldn't even blow up a hot dog stand. They are not a threat.


That's really not the stance you want to take when the nation you're discussing possess nuclear capable ballistic missiles and has been involved in selling nuclear technology for the past 15+ years.

Every "test" they've done has been a colossal failure. I'm not saying we should ignore them, but they are nowhere near the top of potential threats to the US.

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DB do not also forget about the dirty bomb capabilities that can arise.

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And a dozen other countries have nukes..who are we to dictate anything to anyone ? We are the only country in history to use a nuke on another country ..if anything ..we are the ones who should be watched.


This has got to be one of the dumbest, most empty headed things I've ever heard on here.



You must be a fuckin idiot then , If I'm placing odds on what country launches a nuke its Russia then United States n probably at each other .

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And a dozen other countries have nukes..who are we to dictate anything to anyone ? We are the only country in history to use a nuke on another country ..if anything ..we are the ones who should be watched.


This has got to be one of the dumbest, most empty headed things I've ever heard on here.



You must be a fuckin idiot then , If I'm placing odds on what country launches a nuke its Russia then United States n probably at each other .


Ok. This is up there with your last work of art that I quoted.


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Putin is a mad dog , we have zero control over Russia..nobody on the planet does .

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Russia I am not scared of. It is them scumbags in Pakistan that worry me.

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We are probably number 5-6 on Pakistans hit list..If they bomb anybody it starts with India .

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And a dozen other countries have nukes..who are we to dictate anything to anyone ? We are the only country in history to use a nuke on another country ..if anything ..we are the ones who should be watched.


This has got to be one of the dumbest, most empty headed things I've ever heard on here.



You must be a fuckin idiot then , If I'm placing odds on what country launches a nuke its Russia then United States n probably at each other .


Ok. This is up there with your last work of art that I quoted.





Russia hacked our military .. These Commie bastards grow bolder by the day.

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Russia hacked our military .. These Commie bastards grow bolder by the day.


Our ground based Nukes can not be hacked because the computer system required to launch them is so 20th Century,the internet is not used. The Russians have also stepped up their "cat & mouse" games by sending their bombers close to our shores trying to push the envelope. It's all a joke of course,because the nuclear payload carried on our subs (and theirs) can obliterate both countries in a few minutes.

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Putin is a mad dog , we have zero control over Russia..nobody on the planet does .


But they do on Mars? Enlighten me

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The Shah was also pro western. His pro Western stance was one of the main reasons that the people of Iran rose up in 79. The uprisings are the primary reason that the mullahs came to power. I think some of the pro western stuff is exaggerated. There was a lot of bad blood directed at America in 79 and it wasn't just the religious zealots either. I don't think that stuff has subsided that much to be honest.


A little known fat is that the Islamic Revolution was actually hatched in Chicago at DePaul's old Alumni Hall. A group of young Iranians rented it out for a convention and that is when and where the seeds of that revolution were planted.

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Russia hacked our military .. These Commie bastards grow bolder by the day.


Our ground based Nukes can not be hacked because the computer system required to launch them is so 20th Century,the internet is not used. The Russians have also stepped up their "cat & mouse" games by sending their bombers close to our shores trying to push the envelope. It's all a joke of course,because the nuclear payload carried on our subs (and theirs) can obliterate both countries in a few minutes.



That was a clear Fuck You on the 4th of July from them to us.

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? Who's your source Mike ?

The details have yet to be revealed

1. Breitbart
2. Michael Savage
3. Drudge Report



http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articl ... 27693.html

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/o ... 19011.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/hi ... story.html

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In 5-10 years, Iran will be one of our biggest allies in the region.


Will solidly be in the Russian-Chinese sphere of influence.


Will???

Already is.

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In 5-10 years, Iran will be one of our biggest allies in the region.



http://freebeacon.com/national-security ... -wargames/

Of course they will be.

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If only this country was actually forward thinking on renewable energy back in the late 70's-80's, and didn't support some of the world's worst terrorists we generally wouldn't in this position now.

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If only this country was actually forward thinking on renewable energy back in the late 70's-80's, and didn't support some of the world's worst terrorists we generally wouldn't in this position now.



If we would just mind our own fucking business we wouldn't be in this position now.

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If only this country was actually forward thinking on renewable energy back in the late 70's-80's, and didn't support some of the world's worst terrorists we generally wouldn't in this position now.



If we would just mind our own fucking business we wouldn't be in this position now.


It is disturbing that we overthrew a democratic Iranian government in the 50's to install a dictator. I suspect if they did that to us, we might chant death to Iran.

"In 1951 Mohammad Mosaddegh was elected prime minister. He became enormously popular in Iran after he nationalized Iran's petroleum industry and oil reserves. He was deposed in the 1953 Iranian coup d'état, an Anglo-American covert operation that marked the first time the US had overthrown a foreign government during the Cold War."

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Thanks for reminding me of what ASSHOLES Kerry and Obama have been on this issue, with the latest PR Schtick being..."The dollar will be devalued if we walk away from this Iran deal"

Fact is, we should have walked away a long time ago and not sat down in a room with them, until a few of our demands are met...like "RELEASE THE US PRISONERS" .. might be a start!

Not going to get into this whole debate, but Kerry (and Obama) know they are going to lose this one and thus pulling out the USD$ fears...and trying to promote it as a story. Pretty sure I have heard the term fear mongering before. I know a few here well respond with a "in 2009 Bush did this....." Blah blah blah....I dont defend Bush, he is an idiot, but Mr transparent President was going to change these kinds of side deals and scams....and he has done very little if anything to accomplish what he says. I will say this, he made the rich, way richer!

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If only this country was actually forward thinking on renewable energy back in the late 70's-80's, and didn't support some of the world's worst terrorists we generally wouldn't in this position now.



If we would just mind our own fucking business we wouldn't be in this position now.


It is disturbing that we overthrew a democratic Iranian government in the 50's to install a dictator. I suspect if they did that to us, we might chant death to Iran.

"In 1951 Mohammad Mosaddegh was elected prime minister. He became enormously popular in Iran after he nationalized Iran's petroleum industry and oil reserves. He was deposed in the 1953 Iranian coup d'état, an Anglo-American covert operation that marked the first time the US had overthrown a foreign government during the Cold War."


The repressive regime of said dictator would later lead to Anti American feelings on the part of the Iranian people, culminating in the Iranian Revolution of 79. The U.S. GOVT propped up Shah's regime while he was in power. The U.S. also provided asylum and medical care for him after the revolution.

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"In 1951 Mohammad Mosaddegh was elected prime minister. He became enormously popular in Iran after he nationalized Iran's petroleum industry and oil reserves. He was deposed in the 1953 Iranian coup d'état, an Anglo-American covert operation that marked the first time the US had overthrown a foreign government during the Cold War."


British Petroleum got what they paid for. Frightening & really stupid parallel, just 50 years apart.

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If only this country was actually forward thinking on renewable energy back in the late 70's-80's, and didn't support some of the world's worst terrorists we generally wouldn't in this position now.



If we would just mind our own fucking business we wouldn't be in this position now.


It is disturbing that we overthrew a democratic Iranian government in the 50's to install a dictator. I suspect if they did that to us, we might chant death to Iran.

"In 1951 Mohammad Mosaddegh was elected prime minister. He became enormously popular in Iran after he nationalized Iran's petroleum industry and oil reserves. He was deposed in the 1953 Iranian coup d'état, an Anglo-American covert operation that marked the first time the US had overthrown a foreign government during the Cold War."



The U.S. Govt (Eisenhower) and (Nixon) administration would repeat this mistake, first in Guatemala and later in Chile.

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Thanks for reminding me of what ASSHOLES Kerry and Obama have been on this issue, with the latest PR Schtick being..."The dollar will be devalued if we walk away from this Iran deal"

Fact is, we should have walked away a long time ago and not sat down in a room with them, until a few of our demands are met...like "RELEASE THE US PRISONERS" .. might be a start!

Not going to get into this whole debate, but Kerry (and Obama) know they are going to lose this one and thus pulling out the USD$ fears...and trying to promote it as a story. Pretty sure I have heard the term fear mongering before. I know a few here well respond with a "in 2009 Bush did this....." Blah blah blah....I dont defend Bush, he is an idiot, but Mr transparent President was going to change these kinds of side deals and scams....and he has done very little if anything to accomplish what he says. I will say this, he made the rich, way richer!



Obama sure has not functioned as a community organizer since he was elected President. He has been a puppet of the rich, which I always, believed that he would be. Nothing in his past indicated that he would be some sort of radical revolutionary.

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I normally don't pull the parent card around here, but I'll be damned if I don't send my teenaged sons the hell out of this country if the neo-con warhawks win again. When that jackass Scott Walker was critical of the deal during his campaign announcement with his apparently vacuous yet military aged eligible sons stand around smiling I almost threw up. Palin may be a lot of things, but I respected that her son actually put on the uniform and went into harm's way. Until "leaders" are offering up their sons and daughters first, I have no interest in another conflict in this part of the world that would involve my own kids.

If we go back to war there, no deferments, no national guard free passes, no boils on the ass (Rush) or trick knees (Cheney) or eating peanut butter from one's ass (Nugent). Only then can I see my sons going. Before that, I have a semi-violent response to the notion of either of them going over there for someone else's profit (& to deal with our 60 year fuckup).

It may very well be a crap deal, but no one honestly believes an actual good deal was out there for the taking.

As noted above, the Chinese & Russians would prevent that.

We aren't going to win "hearts and minds" with another ill-conceived war. Some of us learned that lesson with Vietnam.

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The is NO REASON to make a deal with them. All the past bullshit aside, their country was beginning to implode under the sanctions that they were forced to live under.

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I normally don't pull the parent card around here, but I'll be damned if I don't send my teenaged sons the hell out of this country if the neo-con warhawks win again. When that jackass Scott Walker was critical of the deal during his campaign announcement with his apparently vacuous yet military aged eligible sons stand around smiling I almost threw up. Palin may be a lot of things, but I respected that her son actually put on the uniform and went into harm's way. Until "leaders" are offering up their sons and daughters first, I have no interest in another conflict in this part of the world that would involve my own kids.

If we go back to war there, no deferments, no national guard free passes, no boils on the ass (Rush) or trick knees (Cheney) or eating peanut butter from one's ass (Nugent). Only then can I see my sons going. Before that, I have a semi-violent response to the notion of either of them going over there for someone else's profit (& to deal with our 60 year fuckup).

It may very well be a crap deal, but no one honestly believes an actual good deal was out there for the taking.

As noted above, the Chinese & Russians would prevent that.

We aren't going to win "hearts and minds" with another ill-conceived war. Some of us learned that lesson with Vietnam.
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I normally don't pull the parent card around here, but I'll be damned if I don't send my teenaged sons the hell out of this country if the neo-con warhawks win again. When that jackass Scott Walker was critical of the deal during his campaign announcement with his apparently vacuous yet military aged eligible sons stand around smiling I almost threw up. Palin may be a lot of things, but I respected that her son actually put on the uniform and went into harm's way. Until "leaders" are offering up their sons and daughters first, I have no interest in another conflict in this part of the world that would involve my own kids.

If we go back to war there, no deferments, no national guard free passes, no boils on the ass (Rush) or trick knees (Cheney) or eating peanut butter from one's ass (Nugent). Only then can I see my sons going. Before that, I have a semi-violent response to the notion of either of them going over there for someone else's profit (& to deal with our 60 year fuckup).

It may very well be a crap deal, but no one honestly believes an actual good deal was out there for the taking.

As noted above, the Chinese & Russians would prevent that.

We aren't going to win "hearts and minds" with another ill-conceived war. Some of us learned that lesson with Vietnam.



Nothing short of war is going to prevent Iran from at least attempting to acquire nukes. The tough talking neoconservative crowd were not able to prevent it. They are pre conditioned to criticize any deal that Obama comes up with. War with Iran is the only thing that will prevent the acquisition of nukes. That's the reality. This deal has very little bearing on that, contrary to what the partisan hacks would like for the public to believe.

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The is NO REASON to make a deal with them. All the past bullshit aside, their country was beginning to implode under the sanctions that they were forced to live under.


Watching a country in that part of the world implode left us with Afghanistan and now Syria, how's that working out for us all?

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Nothing short of war is going to prevent Iran from at least attempting to acquire nukes. The tough talking neoconservative crowd were not able to prevent it. They are pre conditioned to criticize any deal that Obama comes up with. War with Iran is the only thing that will prevent the acquisition of nukes. That's the reality. This deal has very little bearing on that, contrary to what the partisan hacks would like for the public to believe.


Someone "over there" will get their hands on nuclear weaponry. Imo it's inevitable, war or not. They have the money and motivation, and I fully expect that at some point the Saudis will finance it.

But as a parent, I don't want to hear from partisan hacks until they have real skin in the game.

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