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Unless you see a Prior in the top 5 I always think the college hitter is the safe choice. Pitchers are hard to judge and they are injury prone. Rodon will be no worse than a great #3 but Schwarber looks like he's going to be a .300/30/100 guy for a long time. Right now the Sox need bats.

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When healthy he was really good.

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Unless you see a Prior in the top 5 I always think the college hitter is the safe choice. Pitchers are hard to judge and they are injury prone. Rodon will be no worse than a great #3 but Schwarber looks like he's going to be a .300/30/100 guy for a long time. Right now the Sox need bats.


Pitcher injuries are not nearly as devastating as they once were.

Age would be the thing that concerns me more than injury in today's baseball.

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Reclaiming Arrietta from the Oriole scrap heap has done more for this Cub resurgence than any other move the organization has made. His presence is like what a cheap Russell Wilson was for the Seahawks both on the field and in the ability to reallocate money.


I could not agree more. Basically picked up an ace for nothing.


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Pitchers in the first round have a much lower success rate. Both in making it to the majors and excelling in the majors. A fifth round high school pitcher has similar chances.

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Pitchers in the first round have a much lower success rate. Both in making it to the majors and excelling in the majors. A fifth round high school pitcher has similar chances.


I'm not sure of the numbers but outside having a guy like Prior available it appears pitchers are really hard to gauge. You need a good organization that can develop them.

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When healthy he was really good.

And when was he healthy?

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Just as kenny thinks guys who have football mentality make good baseball players, Krause just wanted big bodies and if he was the GM great chance the Bulls get Sam perkins or Mel Turpin...

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IMU wrote:
Pitchers in the first round have a much lower success rate. Both in making it to the majors and excelling in the majors. A fifth round high school pitcher has similar chances.


I'm not saying wildly speculate on a pitcher just because he is a pitcher.

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What would you do dolphin? Schwarber would be perfect for the Sox.


In a draft?

As an academic discussion, I take the pitcher who projects as an ace (and who has further proven it in college) over an everyday player (even one who has proven himself in college).

Theo and company disagree. They think there is some kind of glut of pitchers and a dearth of hitters. Even if true, it seems to me that you are going to pay more for more years for those pitchers who become available than for the hitters. I can piece together a decent offense with platoon guys and people specially designed to my needs. You are praying if you do that with starters year to year


Actually, I think the Epstein philosophy is that the college hitter is the safest pick to make the big leagues. And I'm sure all the numbers support him. But you're not likely to end up with a Kershaw, Sale, Bumgarner, etc. at anything resembling a reasonable price. You're going to be paying 30 year old guys giant money on long deals to get the type of pitching you need to win multiple World Series. But maybe sometimes you can find an Arrieta.


Reclaiming Arrietta from the Oriole scrap heap has done more for this Cub resurgence than any other move the organization has made. His presence is like what a cheap Russell Wilson was for the Seahawks both on the field and in the ability to reallocate money.

The signing of Scott Feldman might end up being the move that set them on a Championship course


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Nas wrote:
What would you do dolphin? Schwarber would be perfect for the Sox.

Rodon is perfect for the Sox. Hell he's perfect for every team in baseball.


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Regardless of what you think of Schwarber, the fact remains that the Cubs have an impressive collection of talent. That talent was acquired in a variety of ways- drafting, trades, and free agent signings. It's not a Cubs vs Sox thing. Rather, on its own, the Cubs have rebuilt this franchise from the ground up.

And for those advocating Rodon over Schwarber because of long term monetary reasons, that makes me laugh. It seems like the same crowd that called the Cubs cheap and that they should have spent money during the last three years. "It's not our money." Now it's about money?

Both appear to be solid draft picks.

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Regardless of what you think of Schwarber, the fact remains that the Cubs have an impressive collection of talent. That talent was acquired in a variety of ways- drafting, trades, and free agent signings. It's not a Cubs vs Sox thing. Rather, on its own, the Cubs have rebuilt this franchise from the ground up.

And for those advocating Rodon over Schwarber because of long term monetary reasons, that makes me laugh. It seems like the same crowd that called the Cubs cheap and that they should have spent money during the last three years. "It's not our money." Now it's about money?

Both appear to be solid draft picks.


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good dolphin wrote:
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Regardless of what you think of Schwarber, the fact remains that the Cubs have an impressive collection of talent. That talent was acquired in a variety of ways- drafting, trades, and free agent signings. It's not a Cubs vs Sox thing. Rather, on its own, the Cubs have rebuilt this franchise from the ground up.

And for those advocating Rodon over Schwarber because of long term monetary reasons, that makes me laugh. It seems like the same crowd that called the Cubs cheap and that they should have spent money during the last three years. "It's not our money." Now it's about money?

Both appear to be solid draft picks.


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Actually, I think the Epstein philosophy is that the college hitter is the safest pick to make the big leagues. And I'm sure all the numbers support him. But you're not likely to end up with a Kershaw, Sale, Bumgarner, etc. at anything resembling a reasonable price. You're going to be paying 30 year old guys giant money on long deals to get the type of pitching you need to win multiple World Series. But maybe sometimes you can find an Arrieta.


Ok bad troll.

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Regardless of what you think of Schwarber, the fact remains that the Cubs have an impressive collection of talent. That talent was acquired in a variety of ways- drafting, trades, and free agent signings. It's not a Cubs vs Sox thing. Rather, on its own, the Cubs have rebuilt this franchise from the ground up.

And for those advocating Rodon over Schwarber because of long term monetary reasons, that makes me laugh. It seems like the same crowd that called the Cubs cheap and that they should have spent money during the last three years. "It's not our money." Now it's about money?

Both appear to be solid draft picks.


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Actually, I think the Epstein philosophy is that the college hitter is the safest pick to make the big leagues. And I'm sure all the numbers support him. But you're not likely to end up with a Kershaw, Sale, Bumgarner, etc. at anything resembling a reasonable price. You're going to be paying 30 year old guys giant money on long deals to get the type of pitching you need to win multiple World Series. But maybe sometimes you can find an Arrieta.


Ok bad troll.


Nothing specific to Schwarber v. Rodon in that post. The post was in regards to the general philosophy of pitcher v. hitter.

It's OK to admit you are wrong. It's not like everyone else doesn't already know it.

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Ok troll. I know it hurts.

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The kid is a bad ass!

Forget the BEER can, when he stared down Peavy and pissed him off, "THAT WAS AWESOME"

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I don't think the Babe sat against tough lefties. Maybe they don't want to hurt his psyche.

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Just waiting for IMU and JORR to admit that I was right about Schwarber. Not only is he the best hitter on the team but his addition to the lineup has turned this season around.

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Just waiting for IMU and JORR to admit that I was right about Schwarber. Not only is he the best hitter on the team but his addition to the lineup has turned this season around.


I think Rizzo is a better hitter at this point, but Schwarber can become what Rizzo does. Has the power and has a more natural compact swing, Rizzo had to create that and it probably doesnt have the same power Schwarber does from that compact swing.

But does that mean then nas is saying Schwarber will be far better than Abreu?

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Just waiting for IMU and JORR to admit that I was right about Schwarber. Not only is he the best hitter on the team but his addition to the lineup has turned this season around.


I think Rizzo is a better hitter at this point, but Schwarber can become what Rizzo does. Has the power and has a more natural compact swing, Rizzo had to create that and it probably doesnt have the same power Schwarber does from that compact swing.

But does that mean then nas is saying Schwarber will be far better than Abreu?


Yes. He's 10 to 15 years younger too.

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"Kyle Schwarber will be a far better player than Jose Abreu"

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Babe is already better than Abreu. He doesn't need to sit against Sale. Let's get it on bitches.

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Babe is already better than Abreu. He doesn't need to sit against Sale. Let's get it on bitches.


He's legit and will only get better.

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Funny, because I never talked down Abreu. I just think he started his MLB career late, doesnt keep himself in great shape and his defense isnt very good. I see Rizzo working hard to improve everything and on top of that be the best team leader he can be, so to be FAR Better than Rizzo right now, that puts you in automatic HOF realm, which I dont think Jose is.

The real question is will Shwarber be a first ballot guy?

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Nas wrote:
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Babe is already better than Abreu. He doesn't need to sit against Sale. Let's get it on bitches.


He's legit and will only get better.

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Funny, because I never talked down Abreu. I just think he started his MLB career late, doesnt keep himself in great shape and his defense isnt very good. I see Rizzo working hard to improve everything and on top of that be the best team leader he can be, so to be FAR Better than Rizzo right now, that puts you in automatic HOF realm, which I dont think Jose is.

The real question is will Shwarber be a first ballot guy?


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