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[Bryant] seems to be pretty damned excellent at third base?

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Recently, Baseball America asked every big league manager to break down the best major leaguers in a variety of categories, and the Cubs, admittedly, don’t have an extremely strong presence. Aside from Cubs skipper Joe Maddon’s rank among the top three managers in the National League (he may well be at the top by the end of the year), only one other Cub – Kris Bryant – made it into the top three of any category … and it’s not a category you would necessarily expect.

If you can believe it, according to all of the managers in MLB, Kris Bryant is the third best defensive third baseman in the National League. Standing behind Nolan Arenado (Rockies) and Todd Frazier (Reds), that is quite the compliment.

His recent offensive struggles notwithstanding (and even those might be turning), Bryant has generally been known for everything but his glove, and you usually didn’t have to go far in the past few years to find someone willing to say Bryant couldn’t stick at third base long-term.* His advanced approach at the plate, as well as his in-game and raw power had generally been his calling cards throughout his time in the minor leagues; and, if anything, his speed and base running intelligence/capabilities have been the most widely discussed “unexpected skill” once he made it to the show. Nonetheless, the managers have spoken, and we are left with some strong anecdotal evidence that the Cubs young slugger might be even more valuable than we anticipated.

On that last point, though, manager voting is just that: anecdotal. Mangers are people, after all, and people are susceptible to hype, narratives and story lines. So let’s take a look at some of the advanced defensive metrics and see if there’s any hard evidence to support the skippers’ claims.

First and foremost, I feel like mentioning that Kris Bryant’s 3.9 fWAR so far in 2015 is the highest among all NL third basemen, and is third overall in MLB, behind only Manny Machado and Josh Donaldson. That is awesome, Kris Bryant is awesome, and even something closer to below average defense at third base would still have resulted in an extremely valuable player. That we’re even discussing his rank among the best defensive third basemen is nothing short of amazing.

On the defensive metrics, it would appear, the ranking is not outlandish, though the numbers alone are not as conclusive as one would hope.

By defensive runs saved (DRS), Kris Bryant comes in fifth in the NL, behind Arenado, Martin Prado, Matt Duffy and Frazier.
By RZR (Revised Zone Rating – a stat that monitors the proportion of balls hit into a fielder’s zone that were successfully converted into an out), Bryant is seventh in the National league.
By OOZ (Out of Zone rating – a stat the measures the total number of outs made by a fielder on balls hit outside of his zone), Bryant is back up at fourth, behind just Arenado, Duffy and Frazier.
By the more inclusive UZR (Ultimate Zone Rating – read more about it, here) Kris Bryant’s score of 3.5 is good for third best in the National league, behind Arenado and Aramis Ramirez.
Ultimately, it seems that there is a pretty clear top two (Arenado at the top, Frazier behind him), followed by a mix of Bryant, Prado and Duffy battling for the third best at third base in the NL. When the numbers yield inconclusive results, our eyes, scouting reports and anecdotal evidence is often the best way to break the tie. Given the manager voting, then, it’s fair to suspect that Kris Bryant is very likely one of the top 3-5 defensive third basemen in the National League – a feat far beyond what expected coming into the season.

With the emergence of Kyle Schwarber in left field (and a possible learning curve there), and the less than encouraging defense across the rest of the outfield, Bryant’s ability to stick (and perform) at third base may be especially important going forward. At the very least, it appears that we have nothing to worry about for now, and may even have reason to get excited about his glove work in the future.

*Interestingly, the one exception to the longstanding questioning of Bryant’s defense at third was this very Baseball America top tools series last year, when managers deemed him the best defensive third baseman in the Pacific Coast League.

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It makes me sad that this is my last Cubs-Sox series. :(

I'll miss this banter the most.

Where you going?
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It seems like you were trying to say he might be 'good' and you said 'damned excellent.'

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The Cubs better hope they can grab the Arrieta game.

I will be at Comiskullar on Saturday.


Shoot me a text. I'll buy you a beer. I think I'm in 162. I'll be with the wife so I may not be standing on the concourse.

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Schwarber is a fat piece of shit. I hope the Cubs make the World Series and he blows it for them by dropping a ball in the AL park.
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WELL THEN..... CONTINUE!!!

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Recently, Baseball America asked every big league manager to break down the best major leaguers in a variety of categories, and the Cubs, admittedly, don’t have an extremely strong presence. Aside from Cubs skipper Joe Maddon’s rank among the top three managers in the National League (he may well be at the top by the end of the year), only one other Cub – Kris Bryant – made it into the top three of any category … and it’s not a category you would necessarily expect.

If you can believe it, according to all of the managers in MLB, Kris Bryant is the third best defensive third baseman in the National League. Standing behind Nolan Arenado (Rockies) and Todd Frazier (Reds), that is quite the compliment.

His recent offensive struggles notwithstanding (and even those might be turning), Bryant has generally been known for everything but his glove, and you usually didn’t have to go far in the past few years to find someone willing to say Bryant couldn’t stick at third base long-term.* His advanced approach at the plate, as well as his in-game and raw power had generally been his calling cards throughout his time in the minor leagues; and, if anything, his speed and base running intelligence/capabilities have been the most widely discussed “unexpected skill” once he made it to the show. Nonetheless, the managers have spoken, and we are left with some strong anecdotal evidence that the Cubs young slugger might be even more valuable than we anticipated.

On that last point, though, manager voting is just that: anecdotal. Mangers are people, after all, and people are susceptible to hype, narratives and story lines. So let’s take a look at some of the advanced defensive metrics and see if there’s any hard evidence to support the skippers’ claims.

First and foremost, I feel like mentioning that Kris Bryant’s 3.9 fWAR so far in 2015 is the highest among all NL third basemen, and is third overall in MLB, behind only Manny Machado and Josh Donaldson. That is awesome, Kris Bryant is awesome, and even something closer to below average defense at third base would still have resulted in an extremely valuable player. That we’re even discussing his rank among the best defensive third basemen is nothing short of amazing.

On the defensive metrics, it would appear, the ranking is not outlandish, though the numbers alone are not as conclusive as one would hope.

By defensive runs saved (DRS), Kris Bryant comes in fifth in the NL, behind Arenado, Martin Prado, Matt Duffy and Frazier.
By RZR (Revised Zone Rating – a stat that monitors the proportion of balls hit into a fielder’s zone that were successfully converted into an out), Bryant is seventh in the National league.
By OOZ (Out of Zone rating – a stat the measures the total number of outs made by a fielder on balls hit outside of his zone), Bryant is back up at fourth, behind just Arenado, Duffy and Frazier.
By the more inclusive UZR (Ultimate Zone Rating – read more about it, here) Kris Bryant’s score of 3.5 is good for third best in the National league, behind Arenado and Aramis Ramirez.
Ultimately, it seems that there is a pretty clear top two (Arenado at the top, Frazier behind him), followed by a mix of Bryant, Prado and Duffy battling for the third best at third base in the NL. When the numbers yield inconclusive results, our eyes, scouting reports and anecdotal evidence is often the best way to break the tie. Given the manager voting, then, it’s fair to suspect that Kris Bryant is very likely one of the top 3-5 defensive third basemen in the National League – a feat far beyond what expected coming into the season.

With the emergence of Kyle Schwarber in left field (and a possible learning curve there), and the less than encouraging defense across the rest of the outfield, Bryant’s ability to stick (and perform) at third base may be especially important going forward. At the very least, it appears that we have nothing to worry about for now, and may even have reason to get excited about his glove work in the future.

*Interestingly, the one exception to the longstanding questioning of Bryant’s defense at third was this very Baseball America top tools series last year, when managers deemed him the best defensive third baseman in the Pacific Coast League.


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
IMU wrote:
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The Cubs better hope they can grab the Arrieta game.

I will be at Comiskullar on Saturday.


Shoot me a text. I'll buy you a beer. I think I'm in 162. I'll be with the wife so I may not be standing on the concourse.

144(?) for me.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Also KC has way more talent


I disagree with that. Quad City Shithead twisted himself into knots trying to explain how the Royals were better at almost every spot. He somehow had Hosmer as better than Abreu. Mike Moustakas is Gordon Beckham if Beckham had gotten hot for a month on a World Series team.

Moustakas is better than Saladino.
Perez, Escobar, Gordon, Infante, Cain are also better.

Abreu is better than Hosmer but Hosmer/Morales is probably better than Abreu/La Roche

KC has better starting pitching and a way better bullpen.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Also KC has way more talent


I disagree with that. Quad City Shithead twisted himself into knots trying to explain how the Royals were better at almost every spot. He somehow had Hosmer as better than Abreu. Mike Moustakas is Gordon Beckham if Beckham had gotten hot for a month on a World Series team.

Moustakas is better than Saladino.
Perez, Escobar, Gordon, Infante, Cain are also better.

Abreu is better than Hosmer but Hosmer/Morales is probably better than Abreu/La Roche

KC has better starting pitching and a way better bullpen.


I don't know if Moustakas is better than Saladino or not. Moustakas is pretty ordinary. He's having a good year though. Gordon is only better than Cabrera based on his left field defense. I guess it depends how important one thinks that is. Perez is better than Flowers. The middle infielders are a wash. Cain is better than Eaton. Rios and Garcia? Just shoot me. Obviously KC has the better bullpen. I don't really see how you could say their starting pitching is better though. Their opening day guy got sent to the minors. Cueto gives them a boost. I think most people would still take the White Sox five.

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I'm ok with that.

Just hope he gets on base a couple times.

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Recently, Baseball America asked every big league manager to break down the best major leaguers in a variety of categories, and the Cubs, admittedly, don’t have an extremely strong presence. Aside from Cubs skipper Joe Maddon’s rank among the top three managers in the National League (he may well be at the top by the end of the year), only one other Cub – Kris Bryant – made it into the top three of any category … and it’s not a category you would necessarily expect.

If you can believe it, according to all of the managers in MLB, Kris Bryant is the third best defensive third baseman in the National League. Standing behind Nolan Arenado (Rockies) and Todd Frazier (Reds), that is quite the compliment.

His recent offensive struggles notwithstanding (and even those might be turning), Bryant has generally been known for everything but his glove, and you usually didn’t have to go far in the past few years to find someone willing to say Bryant couldn’t stick at third base long-term.* His advanced approach at the plate, as well as his in-game and raw power had generally been his calling cards throughout his time in the minor leagues; and, if anything, his speed and base running intelligence/capabilities have been the most widely discussed “unexpected skill” once he made it to the show. Nonetheless, the managers have spoken, and we are left with some strong anecdotal evidence that the Cubs young slugger might be even more valuable than we anticipated.

On that last point, though, manager voting is just that: anecdotal. Mangers are people, after all, and people are susceptible to hype, narratives and story lines. So let’s take a look at some of the advanced defensive metrics and see if there’s any hard evidence to support the skippers’ claims.

First and foremost, I feel like mentioning that Kris Bryant’s 3.9 fWAR so far in 2015 is the highest among all NL third basemen, and is third overall in MLB, behind only Manny Machado and Josh Donaldson. That is awesome, Kris Bryant is awesome, and even something closer to below average defense at third base would still have resulted in an extremely valuable player. That we’re even discussing his rank among the best defensive third basemen is nothing short of amazing.

On the defensive metrics, it would appear, the ranking is not outlandish, though the numbers alone are not as conclusive as one would hope.

By defensive runs saved (DRS), Kris Bryant comes in fifth in the NL, behind Arenado, Martin Prado, Matt Duffy and Frazier.
By RZR (Revised Zone Rating – a stat that monitors the proportion of balls hit into a fielder’s zone that were successfully converted into an out), Bryant is seventh in the National league.
By OOZ (Out of Zone rating – a stat the measures the total number of outs made by a fielder on balls hit outside of his zone), Bryant is back up at fourth, behind just Arenado, Duffy and Frazier.
By the more inclusive UZR (Ultimate Zone Rating – read more about it, here) Kris Bryant’s score of 3.5 is good for third best in the National league, behind Arenado and Aramis Ramirez.
Ultimately, it seems that there is a pretty clear top two (Arenado at the top, Frazier behind him), followed by a mix of Bryant, Prado and Duffy battling for the third best at third base in the NL. When the numbers yield inconclusive results, our eyes, scouting reports and anecdotal evidence is often the best way to break the tie. Given the manager voting, then, it’s fair to suspect that Kris Bryant is very likely one of the top 3-5 defensive third basemen in the National League – a feat far beyond what expected coming into the season.

With the emergence of Kyle Schwarber in left field (and a possible learning curve there), and the less than encouraging defense across the rest of the outfield, Bryant’s ability to stick (and perform) at third base may be especially important going forward. At the very least, it appears that we have nothing to worry about for now, and may even have reason to get excited about his glove work in the future.

*Interestingly, the one exception to the longstanding questioning of Bryant’s defense at third was this very Baseball America top tools series last year, when managers deemed him the best defensive third baseman in the Pacific Coast League.


Who do you think managers most often give that survey to in order to fill out: a PR intern, batboy or their children to fill out and send back?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
IMU wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
The Cubs better hope they can grab the Arrieta game.

I will be at Comiskullar on Saturday.


Shoot me a text. I'll buy you a beer. I think I'm in 162. I'll be with the wife so I may not be standing on the concourse.


Shoot me a text after IMU leaves and I'll come over

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Shoot me a text. I'll buy you a beer. I think I'm in 162. I'll be with the wife so I may not be standing on the concourse.


Shoot me a text after IMU leaves and I'll come over

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good dolphin wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Shoot me a text. I'll buy you a beer. I think I'm in 162. I'll be with the wife so I may not be standing on the concourse.


Shoot me a text after IMU leaves and I'll come over

:lol:


just kidding...I'd just say I was coming over

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just kidding...I'd just say I was coming, over


That sentence was in the first draft of Airplane!

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SteveSarley wrote:
From Bleacher Nation -

Recently, Baseball America asked every big league manager to break down the best major leaguers in a variety of categories, and the Cubs, admittedly, don’t have an extremely strong presence. Aside from Cubs skipper Joe Maddon’s rank among the top three managers in the National League (he may well be at the top by the end of the year), only one other Cub – Kris Bryant – made it into the top three of any category … and it’s not a category you would necessarily expect.

If you can believe it, according to all of the managers in MLB, Kris Bryant is the third best defensive third baseman in the National League. Standing behind Nolan Arenado (Rockies) and Todd Frazier (Reds), that is quite the compliment.

His recent offensive struggles notwithstanding (and even those might be turning), Bryant has generally been known for everything but his glove, and you usually didn’t have to go far in the past few years to find someone willing to say Bryant couldn’t stick at third base long-term.* His advanced approach at the plate, as well as his in-game and raw power had generally been his calling cards throughout his time in the minor leagues; and, if anything, his speed and base running intelligence/capabilities have been the most widely discussed “unexpected skill” once he made it to the show. Nonetheless, the managers have spoken, and we are left with some strong anecdotal evidence that the Cubs young slugger might be even more valuable than we anticipated.

On that last point, though, manager voting is just that: anecdotal. Mangers are people, after all, and people are susceptible to hype, narratives and story lines. So let’s take a look at some of the advanced defensive metrics and see if there’s any hard evidence to support the skippers’ claims.

First and foremost, I feel like mentioning that Kris Bryant’s 3.9 fWAR so far in 2015 is the highest among all NL third basemen, and is third overall in MLB, behind only Manny Machado and Josh Donaldson. That is awesome, Kris Bryant is awesome, and even something closer to below average defense at third base would still have resulted in an extremely valuable player. That we’re even discussing his rank among the best defensive third basemen is nothing short of amazing.

On the defensive metrics, it would appear, the ranking is not outlandish, though the numbers alone are not as conclusive as one would hope.

By defensive runs saved (DRS), Kris Bryant comes in fifth in the NL, behind Arenado, Martin Prado, Matt Duffy and Frazier.
By RZR (Revised Zone Rating – a stat that monitors the proportion of balls hit into a fielder’s zone that were successfully converted into an out), Bryant is seventh in the National league.
By OOZ (Out of Zone rating – a stat the measures the total number of outs made by a fielder on balls hit outside of his zone), Bryant is back up at fourth, behind just Arenado, Duffy and Frazier.
By the more inclusive UZR (Ultimate Zone Rating – read more about it, here) Kris Bryant’s score of 3.5 is good for third best in the National league, behind Arenado and Aramis Ramirez.
Ultimately, it seems that there is a pretty clear top two (Arenado at the top, Frazier behind him), followed by a mix of Bryant, Prado and Duffy battling for the third best at third base in the NL. When the numbers yield inconclusive results, our eyes, scouting reports and anecdotal evidence is often the best way to break the tie. Given the manager voting, then, it’s fair to suspect that Kris Bryant is very likely one of the top 3-5 defensive third basemen in the National League – a feat far beyond what expected coming into the season.

With the emergence of Kyle Schwarber in left field (and a possible learning curve there), and the less than encouraging defense across the rest of the outfield, Bryant’s ability to stick (and perform) at third base may be especially important going forward. At the very least, it appears that we have nothing to worry about for now, and may even have reason to get excited about his glove work in the future.

*Interestingly, the one exception to the longstanding questioning of Bryant’s defense at third was this very Baseball America top tools series last year, when managers deemed him the best defensive third baseman in the Pacific Coast League.


Who do you think managers most often give that survey to in order to fill out: a PR intern, batboy or their children to fill out and send back?

Any of them would probably have a greater grasp of the game than you do, Dolphin.

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By defensive runs saved (DRS), Kris Bryant comes in fifth in the NL, behind Arenado, Martin Prado, Matt Duffy and Frazier.
By RZR (Revised Zone Rating – a stat that monitors the proportion of balls hit into a fielder’s zone that were successfully converted into an out), Bryant is seventh in the National league.
By OOZ (Out of Zone rating – a stat the measures the total number of outs made by a fielder on balls hit outside of his zone), Bryant is back up at fourth, behind just Arenado, Duffy and Frazier.
By the more inclusive UZR (Ultimate Zone Rating – read more about it, here) Kris Bryant’s score of 3.5 is good for third best in the National league, behind Arenado and Aramis Ramirez.
Ultimately, it seems that there is a pretty clear top two (Arenado at the top, Frazier behind him), followed by a mix of Bryant, Prado and Duffy battling for the third best at third base in the NL. When the numbers yield inconclusive results, our eyes, scouting reports and anecdotal evidence is often the best way to break the tie. Given the manager voting, then, it’s fair to suspect that Kris Bryant is very likely one of the top 3-5 defensive third basemen in the National League – a feat far beyond what expected coming into the season.


i am not a metrics guy, but it seems to me that the buzz has been that Bryant is a below-average 3rd baseman and would likely not be able to stick at that position, yet the numbers above seem to indicate otherwise. By looking at him play he seems like he has been rough around the edges but otherwise has not been dreadful, but i was surprised to the see at least this batch of statistics suggest he has more than held up fielding at 3rd. I'm throwing out all the manager's poll bullshit, but by these numbers he looks pretty solid. is there still an argument to be made that he doesn't belong at 3rd?


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SteveSarley wrote:
By defensive runs saved (DRS), Kris Bryant comes in fifth in the NL, behind Arenado, Martin Prado, Matt Duffy and Frazier.
By RZR (Revised Zone Rating – a stat that monitors the proportion of balls hit into a fielder’s zone that were successfully converted into an out), Bryant is seventh in the National league.
By OOZ (Out of Zone rating – a stat the measures the total number of outs made by a fielder on balls hit outside of his zone), Bryant is back up at fourth, behind just Arenado, Duffy and Frazier.
By the more inclusive UZR (Ultimate Zone Rating – read more about it, here) Kris Bryant’s score of 3.5 is good for third best in the National league, behind Arenado and Aramis Ramirez.
Ultimately, it seems that there is a pretty clear top two (Arenado at the top, Frazier behind him), followed by a mix of Bryant, Prado and Duffy battling for the third best at third base in the NL. When the numbers yield inconclusive results, our eyes, scouting reports and anecdotal evidence is often the best way to break the tie. Given the manager voting, then, it’s fair to suspect that Kris Bryant is very likely one of the top 3-5 defensive third basemen in the National League – a feat far beyond what expected coming into the season.


i am not a metrics guy, but it seems to me that the buzz has been that Bryant is a below-average 3rd baseman and would likely not be able to stick at that position, yet the numbers above seem to indicate otherwise. By looking at him play he seems like he has been rough around the edges but otherwise has not been dreadful, but i was surprised to the see at least this batch of statistics suggest he has more than held up fielding at 3rd. I'm throwing out all the manager's poll bullshit, but by these numbers he looks pretty solid. is there still an argument to be made that he doesn't belong at 3rd?


On this board, people will argue anything. There are probably guys that think he should still be in the minors.

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By defensive runs saved (DRS), Kris Bryant comes in fifth in the NL, behind Arenado, Martin Prado, Matt Duffy and Frazier.
By RZR (Revised Zone Rating – a stat that monitors the proportion of balls hit into a fielder’s zone that were successfully converted into an out), Bryant is seventh in the National league.
By OOZ (Out of Zone rating – a stat the measures the total number of outs made by a fielder on balls hit outside of his zone), Bryant is back up at fourth, behind just Arenado, Duffy and Frazier.
By the more inclusive UZR (Ultimate Zone Rating – read more about it, here) Kris Bryant’s score of 3.5 is good for third best in the National league, behind Arenado and Aramis Ramirez.
Ultimately, it seems that there is a pretty clear top two (Arenado at the top, Frazier behind him), followed by a mix of Bryant, Prado and Duffy battling for the third best at third base in the NL. When the numbers yield inconclusive results, our eyes, scouting reports and anecdotal evidence is often the best way to break the tie. Given the manager voting, then, it’s fair to suspect that Kris Bryant is very likely one of the top 3-5 defensive third basemen in the National League – a feat far beyond what expected coming into the season.


i am not a metrics guy, but it seems to me that the buzz has been that Bryant is a below-average 3rd baseman and would likely not be able to stick at that position, yet the numbers above seem to indicate otherwise. By looking at him play he seems like he has been rough around the edges but otherwise has not been dreadful, but i was surprised to the see at least this batch of statistics suggest he has more than held up fielding at 3rd. I'm throwing out all the manager's poll bullshit, but by these numbers he looks pretty solid. is there still an argument to be made that he doesn't belong at 3rd?

There is no argument unless you want to listen to the know-it-alls around here who proclaim themselves to be experts.
You know who I am talking about.
The guys who don't watch the game much.
The guys who rate and comment about minor leaguers who they have never seen play.
The guys who say Bryant can't play third simply because he is too tall.
The guys who say Schwarber can't catch simply because they think he is a "fat piece of shit."

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Schwarber has looked good in left.



All he has had to field are cans of corn

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Schwarber has looked good in left.



All he has had to field are cans of corn

Fields them like a gold glover.


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