is the claim here that there simply aren't a lot of low skill jobs available ? thus the notion that these people working at Amazon have no other choice ?

I have no idea what BS Rick is attempting to sell, to be honest. But if a guy at Amazon's corporate office feels his salary is not worth the effort he has to put forth, I guarantee there are jobs for him elsewhere.

He may have to take a lesser salary. He may need to switch fields. He may have to get used to a different style of life.

But the point is that he is choosing to work there, and knows that Amazon is a pretty damn good employer all things considered. If working at Amazon wasn't worth it, no one would work there and the company would fold.

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When I was in the manufacturing trade, I never had a problem finding work. Drive thru any industrial park and you'll see dozens of help wanted signs. Mold makers, Tool and Die, CNC machinists / programmers. I don't know why this job track isn't emphasized more often in high schools. You'll never get rich but you'll certainly make a decent living and always have a job. Its one of those industries that shows there is plenty of middle ground between Jeff Bezos and the dude filling your Amazon order for 10 bucks an hour.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

oh ok, i always mix those up and often times think they're different names for the same thing. i'll change it up in the OP.

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in light of this news i'm going to go around the city today and ask all the homeless bums "what the fuck is wrong with you?"

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I have long advocated a German style apprenticeship program for high school children. I dug in deeper on the topic, and apparently, private employers front a big portion of the training costs. Most feel employers would not be willing to make the investment in the U.S. because of the short term thinking and the way people jump jobs so rapidly.

I still think the high schools need to do a better job of training non college track children for real world jobs.

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Sini, you have a ton of information. I was actually surprised I found something in your post that wasn't 100% accurate. You are a wealth of information. Ever thought of being assimilated by the Borg? They would be much stronger with you in the fold.

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until all that work is outsourced to China

Well put, and I think that argument extends to the debate over tax rates on capital gains. There is risk involved.

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They have deemphasized vocational education in public education. The emphasis has been placed on preparing students for college. The language that has been used to discredit careers in voc. Ed also has served as a deterrent. Kids are constantly told not to go into voc. ed because those jobs will be obsolete.

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strudel for lunch ?

I have a great friend that is a senior recruiter for Amazon out in Seattle. He loves the entire thing. He has people begging to work there. He always talks about the culture, friendships, benefits and lots of money. I have know this guy for 35 years. He doesn't put up with shit he thinks is wrong or he would have told me this stuff way before this article came to light. It doesn't mean much I guess but it is a piece that I can add.

As for this thread right from the beginning there was the misunderstanding that it was about people loading boxes and washing floors for Amazon. It has nothing to do with them and the usual points these unionize topics take. It is good to have Brick back and get a proper 20 page thread going though.

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If saying they should have decent working conditions for employees is bashing, I guess so.

Im not talking about one success story or reverence for entrepreneurship. I respect that as much as anyone and the risk is huge. But the risk in and of itself doesn't justify the business acting irresponsibly.


But, there is a certain type of person that always comes down on the side of management/authority and many of those people are not management/authority. Its kinda odd.

All those things Rogue mentioned are growing in western PA not shrinking.

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it's like when the kid that gets picked on turns around and becomes the bully !

I am into Swabian food.

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Oh really? I didnt see him mention Cole's E.R.A.

There are not enough low skill jobs available to make it easy to just switch to another job when Amazon treats you like garbage. Of course they may need be able to find another place to treat them like garbage.

It just comes down to the value of labor at any level. Americans put a very low amount of value on "unskilled labor". It's prevalent through this very thread and others.

That is the reason that the unemployment rate is not close to 0%.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I guess that would hurt if I was a die hard Pirates fan.

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Elections have consequences.

Ok, so it's fairly obvious you didn't even read my posts so I'm not saying it again.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Those are separate issues though. This is a bit of a false equivalency.

If we are going to speak purely on what's inhumane and oppressive why not include the undocumented, underpaid, dishwasher that works at the local greasy spoon. Is it any less humane or oppressive for him simply because he is undocumented?

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Why are they separate issues? It seems like some of you think that Amazon is filled with tech workers making huge money. They employ people from all levels of economics.

If Amazon treated their $100k guys like garbage, and their warehouse employees well then it may matter. Every indication is that it only gets worse the lower you go in Amazon.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I have not seen any indication. Have you seen what the warehouse folks are getting treated poorly? Are they union? I doubt they look at work email off hours.

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Elections have consequences.

Thanks, Obama.

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Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way

It was a replacement joke for a way meaner one.

You win this round, pittmike

That has already happened yet hundreds of skilled machinist ($20 plus per hour) type jobs are unfilled right now in the good ol' usa. I could drive through Bedford park ( stopping for a cool drink at their huge water supply ) or Elk Grove Village and find 20 jobs right now.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

It's like going to the bathroom in front of a bunch of people, and not caring.

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Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way

The article focused on the people that are well off. What made slavery inhumane was the fact that it is involuntary. This is voluntary. It's like buying a Maybach, even though you know the price, and then complaining about your car note.

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14 wins. Don't have to mention it.

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Proud member of the white guy grievance committee

It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!