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I think far superior was actually + .100

But Rizzo isn't far superior to Abreu.

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If you hit the ball into the air and it goes a certain distance, it is a home run. If you lessen that distance, there are only so many ways it can shake out. And "out" is the common one.

Out of ground balls, line drives, and fly balls... fly balls have the lowest batting average league wide.
The problem is that the "barely home runs" are not normal fly balls. Now, if you have numbers that show that Abreu is still hitting the ball just as far then I'd be willing to acknowledge it but I'm going to guess that Abreu's power has gone down this year.

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The problem is that the "barely home runs" are not normal fly balls. Now, if you have numbers that show that Abreu is still hitting the ball just as far then I'd be willing to acknowledge it but I'm going to guess that Abreu's power has gone down this year.

What do you mean they aren't normal fly balls?

I'm not arguing that Abreu is hitting the ball the same distance. I'm arguing that by him hitting fly balls, on average, two less feet than last year...it has caused a .090 drop in OPS. Because fly balls (he is still hitting the same amount of them) that were going for 4 TB on 1 AB are now going for 0 TB on 1 AB.

In 2015, his average home run distance is 400 ft and the average home run would be a home run in 19 of the 30 ballparks. Of the top 25 HR hitters in MLB this season, his 19 of 30 is the single lowest. In 2014, his average home run distance was 402 ft and it would be a home run in 22 of 30 ballparks.

So yes...that "just enough" factor makes a large difference in the statistics of a power hitter. If you're on the wrong side of "just enough" you will be making more outs. The difference between a home run and an out is 5.000 OPS

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I'm not arguing that Abreu is hitting the ball the same distance. I'm arguing that by him hitting fly balls, on average, two less feet than last year...it has caused a .090 drop in OPS. Because fly balls (he is still hitting the same amount of them) that were going for 4 TB on 1 AB are now going for 0 TB on 1 AB.
So your point was that if Abreu doesn't hit the ball as far that he won't have as many home runs and he won't be as good.

Can I get your thoughts on pitchers who don't throw as hard as they used to or NFL kickers that don't kick the ball as far as they used to?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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I'm not arguing that Abreu is hitting the ball the same distance. I'm arguing that by him hitting fly balls, on average, two less feet than last year...it has caused a .090 drop in OPS. Because fly balls (he is still hitting the same amount of them) that were going for 4 TB on 1 AB are now going for 0 TB on 1 AB.
So your point was that if Abreu doesn't hit the ball as far that he won't have as many home runs and he won't be as good.

Can I get your thoughts on pitchers who don't throw as hard as they used to or NFL kickers that don't kick the ball as far as they used to?

My point is that I was right in my analysis of Jose Abreu's 2014 home run numbers and correct in projecting him to hit fewer.

Stick to football.

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My point is that I was right in my analysis of Jose Abreu's 2014 home run numbers and correct in projecting him to hit fewer.
...because he isn't hitting with as much power.

It had nothing to do with "just barely home runs". You seem to acknowledge that he would have just as many if he were hitting it just as far.

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IMU wrote:
I'm not arguing that Abreu is hitting the ball the same distance. I'm arguing that by him hitting fly balls, on average, two less feet than last year...it has caused a .090 drop in OPS. Because fly balls (he is still hitting the same amount of them) that were going for 4 TB on 1 AB are now going for 0 TB on 1 AB.
So your point was that if Abreu doesn't hit the ball as far that he won't have as many home runs and he won't be as good.

Can I get your thoughts on pitchers who don't throw as hard as they used to or NFL kickers that don't kick the ball as far as they used to?

You say one bad word about Toni Fritsch and we're going to have a set to.

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IMU wrote:
My point is that I was right in my analysis of Jose Abreu's 2014 home run numbers and correct in projecting him to hit fewer.

Stick to football.


hey swami, when will you be ready to prove your baseball analysis/forecasting correct and step up to the table with some fantasy baseball? nas' sandlot league usually has 2-4 openings every year (and i wouldnt be surprised if the guy i got to join this season doesnt return next year cuz he loves to whine about how he doesnt even try cuz he doesnt have time to put in the legwork in nas' deep/er sandlot league) and if a H2H (fantasy football style) 30-man-roster 20-team (with 12 being default) 12-keeper setup doesnt interest you, i run a ~12 team 5x5 roto league (you accumulate stats all year and aim for the most points where, example, team w/most HR gets 12pts (if 12 teams) and last place gets 1pt, so you add up the 10 categories and whoever has the most pts at the end of the regular season wins) where we're going up from 8 to 12 keepers this offseason and new teams get to draft out of the non-kept-players for the 8-12 rounds while keeper people "keep" their players in the first 8-12 rounds, as i've found that to be more fair than "take over a deadass team from last year and select your keepers from that" (like you do in nas' league --- but his league is set up differently and that works out cuz everyone drafts in round 1 cuz somehow his keepers are 100% outside of the draft)

SO YEAH. whenever you're ready it'd be an honor to play against you and your legendary baseball acumen to see how us commoner idiots fare against you and your magnanimous abilities.

sincerely,

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IMU wrote:
My point is that I was right in my analysis of Jose Abreu's 2014 home run numbers and correct in projecting him to hit fewer.

Stick to football.


hey swami, when will you be ready to prove your baseball analysis/forecasting correct and step up to the table with some fantasy baseball? nas' sandlot league usually has 2-4 openings every year (and i wouldnt be surprised if the guy i got to join this season doesnt return next year cuz he loves to whine about how he doesnt even try cuz he doesnt have time to put in the legwork in nas' deep/er sandlot league) and if a H2H (fantasy football style) 30-man-roster 20-team (with 12 being default) 12-keeper setup doesnt interest you, i run a ~12 team 5x5 roto league (you accumulate stats all year and aim for the most points where, example, team w/most HR gets 12pts (if 12 teams) and last place gets 1pt, so you add up the 10 categories and whoever has the most pts at the end of the regular season wins) where we're going up from 8 to 12 keepers this offseason and new teams get to draft out of the non-kept-players for the 8-12 rounds while keeper people "keep" their players in the first 8-12 rounds, as i've found that to be more fair than "take over a deadass team from last year and select your keepers from that" (like you do in nas' league --- but his league is set up differently and that works out cuz everyone drafts in round 1 cuz somehow his keepers are 100% outside of the draft)

SO YEAH. whenever you're ready it'd be an honor to play against you and your legendary baseball acumen to see how us commoner idiots fare against you and your magnanimous abilities.

sincerely,

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Nas banned me because I'd win too hard. Just ask him.

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sinicalypse wrote:
IMU wrote:
My point is that I was right in my analysis of Jose Abreu's 2014 home run numbers and correct in projecting him to hit fewer.

Stick to football.


hey swami, when will you be ready to prove your baseball analysis/forecasting correct and step up to the table with some fantasy baseball? nas' sandlot league usually has 2-4 openings every year (and i wouldnt be surprised if the guy i got to join this season doesnt return next year cuz he loves to whine about how he doesnt even try cuz he doesnt have time to put in the legwork in nas' deep/er sandlot league) and if a H2H (fantasy football style) 30-man-roster 20-team (with 12 being default) 12-keeper setup doesnt interest you, i run a ~12 team 5x5 roto league (you accumulate stats all year and aim for the most points where, example, team w/most HR gets 12pts (if 12 teams) and last place gets 1pt, so you add up the 10 categories and whoever has the most pts at the end of the regular season wins) where we're going up from 8 to 12 keepers this offseason and new teams get to draft out of the non-kept-players for the 8-12 rounds while keeper people "keep" their players in the first 8-12 rounds, as i've found that to be more fair than "take over a deadass team from last year and select your keepers from that" (like you do in nas' league --- but his league is set up differently and that works out cuz everyone drafts in round 1 cuz somehow his keepers are 100% outside of the draft)



SO YEAH. whenever you're ready it'd be an honor to play against you and your legendary baseball acumen to see how us commoner idiots fare against you and your magnanimous abilities.

sincerely,

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I hear Crickets

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IMU wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
IMU wrote:
I'm not arguing that Abreu is hitting the ball the same distance. I'm arguing that by him hitting fly balls, on average, two less feet than last year...it has caused a .090 drop in OPS. Because fly balls (he is still hitting the same amount of them) that were going for 4 TB on 1 AB are now going for 0 TB on 1 AB.
So your point was that if Abreu doesn't hit the ball as far that he won't have as many home runs and he won't be as good.

Can I get your thoughts on pitchers who don't throw as hard as they used to or NFL kickers that don't kick the ball as far as they used to?

My point is that I was right in my analysis of Jose Abreu's 2014 home run numbers and correct in projecting him to hit fewer.

Stick to football.


Wait, you predicted that he would hit the ball less far this season?

and yes, I took classes at the University of Toledo with MASH star Jamie's brother Less Far.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
IMU wrote:
If you hit the ball into the air and it goes a certain distance, it is a home run. If you lessen that distance, there are only so many ways it can shake out. And "out" is the common one.

Out of ground balls, line drives, and fly balls... fly balls have the lowest batting average league wide.
The problem is that the "barely home runs" are not normal fly balls. Now, if you have numbers that show that Abreu is still hitting the ball just as far then I'd be willing to acknowledge it but I'm going to guess that Abreu's power has gone down this year.





Disagree , he's getting nothing to hit ..nobody around him , Why pitch to him ? He's not fast , just pitch around him . The guy is still one of the best hitters in mlb . nothing has changed.

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Kyle should be in movies just like Babe. His first feature could be entitled The Incredible Shrinking Average

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Is it nose diving?

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I'm not going to get into a million metrics here, but in the limited PA I've seen Schwarber looks very pull-happy. Might be something to follow, as other teams get more information into the data that they use for shifts.

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I'm not going to get into a million metrics here, but in the limited PA I've seen Schwarber looks very pull-happy. Might be something to follow, as other teams get more information into the data that they use for shifts.

You haven't watched. Several of his homers and hits are to the opposite field.

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Apologist should stab himself after that terrible thought was debunked.

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Apologist should stab himself after that terrible thought was debunked.

to me the charts KD posted support shifting.


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Kirkwood wrote:
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Apologist should stab himself after that terrible thought was debunked.

to me the charts KD posted support shifting.

That is not what a pull heavy hitting chart looks like.

This is what it looks like

http://www.fangraphs.com/spraycharts.as ... LL&vs2=ALL

Keep in mind you're only focusing on the green dots on the right most map, batted balls. Line drives don't really get shifted for as they fall in for hits 66% of the time anyway, even in 'defended' zones.

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King Kyle had 30 RBI's in 35 games 2nd to Bob Speake's 32.....now that's some rare air :lol:

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No you fucking moron be real...stick your metrics up your ass and watch the fucking game

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Apologist should stab himself after that terrible thought was debunked.

to me the charts KD posted support shifting.

Filter by LHP and then by RHP. Definitely a shift opportunity against LHP. Less so against RHP.

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:cry: double play ..first pitch.

I wanted to kill Pat and Ron after that. Coomer pretty much calls it that the one thing he can't do is hit into a DP, which he promptly does. Nothing from either Pat or Ron that references that for once Ron was fucking right, either before the break or afterward. It was as if they were both afraid to criticize him for what was probably one of his shittiest PA since he's been up for good.

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