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$32.77 per hour after three years, or even sooner.

He turns down some OT every week and will still make $95K this year. And his job is 95% automated.

I would do a lot of things for that kind of starting salary. That's about double what I'm pulling down.


Plus, all you can eat.

Sorry, my grandpa must have made that joke a million times. :lol:

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I work from home CoF.

My garbageman told me that his local Waste Management office is short seven drivers daily.

Starting pay is $22.50 and hour plus bennies.

$32.77 per hour after three years, or even sooner.

He turns down some OT every week and will still make $95K this year. And his job is 95% automated.

I would do a lot of things for that kind of starting salary. That's about double what I'm pulling down.

If you get a CDL a lot of opportunities are out there. I cant speak to Seacrest's garbage man's local waste management company though.


This.

A CDL will get you job if you want to work and can pass a drug test.

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Consider the source but this came across facebook and I thought it would be a fun read for Brick. His head might explode.

http://allenbwest.com/2015/08/trump-wei ... -is-nasty/

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There is a ton of regulation. And it's increasing by the day. So it is increasingly costing me time and money.

There are many industries that have little or nothing to do with government money.
Sell your business and become a garbageman if you don't like it!


Rick is killing it in this thread.

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The economic climate today is more and more regulations at every level. Those regulations take someone to read, decipher and determine what a business should do. Either you pay someone to do this, which many do, or you take the time to do this...either way...there is a costs to the new regulations even before implementing them.

These conditions favor large business and a further burden on small business in America....

This was something I really thought MR CHANGE was going to work. Tax credits for small businesses, some REAL incentives, etc. He has done little to nothing...and much of that is because he doesnt know WTF he is talking about. Doesnt mean he cant understand it, but he doesnt know it.


Without those pesky regulations, you have a fertilizer plant in Texas that explodes, killing 15, injuring more than 160 people, and destroying 150 buildings.

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The government has never helped me in my business other than helping themselves thru the taxes I pay.

wrong



When you have a moment, tell me how they have helped me specifically.

no idea what your business is.

but here's one example. do you use a road? that's government facilitating business.


How about the internet? Seacrest owes Al Gore one.

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The economic climate today is more and more regulations at every level. Those regulations take someone to read, decipher and determine what a business should do. Either you pay someone to do this, which many do, or you take the time to do this...either way...there is a costs to the new regulations even before implementing them.

These conditions favor large business and a further burden on small business in America....

This was something I really thought MR CHANGE was going to work. Tax credits for small businesses, some REAL incentives, etc. He has done little to nothing...and much of that is because he doesnt know WTF he is talking about. Doesnt mean he cant understand it, but he doesnt know it.


This guy gets it.

Enforcing and strengthening of protected industries, killing competition and raising the barrier of entry into sectors of business.


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Chus wrote:
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The economic climate today is more and more regulations at every level. Those regulations take someone to read, decipher and determine what a business should do. Either you pay someone to do this, which many do, or you take the time to do this...either way...there is a costs to the new regulations even before implementing them.

These conditions favor large business and a further burden on small business in America....

This was something I really thought MR CHANGE was going to work. Tax credits for small businesses, some REAL incentives, etc. He has done little to nothing...and much of that is because he doesnt know WTF he is talking about. Doesnt mean he cant understand it, but he doesnt know it.


Without those pesky regulations, you have a fertilizer plant in Texas that explodes, killing 15, injuring more than 160 people, and destroying 150 buildings.


Okay, but I think you're completely missing BigFan's point.

Like, totally missing it.


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The economic climate today is more and more regulations at every level. Those regulations take someone to read, decipher and determine what a business should do. Either you pay someone to do this, which many do, or you take the time to do this...either way...there is a costs to the new regulations even before implementing them.

These conditions favor large business and a further burden on small business in America....

This was something I really thought MR CHANGE was going to work. Tax credits for small businesses, some REAL incentives, etc. He has done little to nothing...and much of that is because he doesnt know WTF he is talking about. Doesnt mean he cant understand it, but he doesnt know it.


This guy gets it.

Enforcing and strengthening of protected industries, killing competition and raising the barrier of entry into sectors of business.



As paradoxically as it sounds it is correct. The biggest impediment to business is businessmen themselves. Self professed capitalists often try to create quasi monopolies by creating regulations which keep the little guy out. Another dirty little secret. There are lobbyists who seek to create regulations that are designed to keep small businesses out. That's the part they don't want anyone to know. They perform such actions all while professing their love of free market capitalism. It's a joke.

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bigfan wrote:
The economic climate today is more and more regulations at every level. Those regulations take someone to read, decipher and determine what a business should do. Either you pay someone to do this, which many do, or you take the time to do this...either way...there is a costs to the new regulations even before implementing them.

These conditions favor large business and a further burden on small business in America....

This was something I really thought MR CHANGE was going to work. Tax credits for small businesses, some REAL incentives, etc. He has done little to nothing...and much of that is because he doesnt know WTF he is talking about. Doesnt mean he cant understand it, but he doesnt know it.


This guy gets it.

Enforcing and strengthening of protected industries, killing competition and raising the barrier of entry into sectors of business.



As paradoxically as it sounds it is correct. The biggest impediment to business is businessmen themselves. Self professed capitalists often try to create quasi monopolies by creating regulations which keep the little guy out. Another dirty little secret. There are lobbyists who seek to create regulations that are designed to keep small businesses out. That's the part they don't want anyone to know. They perform such actions all while professing their love of free market capitalism. It's a joke.


Lots of two faced snakes out there. I've never argued for a whole sale stripping away of "regulations" of all types and then letting it all shake out. But, as you and Big mentioned, more regulations don't necessarily =/= better outcomes. Entrenched industries want to protect their status via any means necessary...creating excess regulations is one way.


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The economic climate today is more and more regulations at every level. Those regulations take someone to read, decipher and determine what a business should do. Either you pay someone to do this, which many do, or you take the time to do this...either way...there is a costs to the new regulations even before implementing them.

These conditions favor large business and a further burden on small business in America....

This was something I really thought MR CHANGE was going to work. Tax credits for small businesses, some REAL incentives, etc. He has done little to nothing...and much of that is because he doesnt know WTF he is talking about. Doesnt mean he cant understand it, but he doesnt know it.


Without those pesky regulations, you have a fertilizer plant in Texas that explodes, killing 15, injuring more than 160 people, and destroying 150 buildings.


Okay, but I think you're completely missing BigFan's point.

Like, totally missing it.


I got it, I was making a counterpoint.

Regulations is a word like taxes to many on the right. Bad in any context.

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There is a ton of regulation. And it's increasing by the day. So it is increasingly costing me time and money.

There are many industries that have little or nothing to do with government money.
Sell your business and become a garbageman if you don't like it!


Rick is killing it in this thread.

Not really.
He forgot that garbage men drive trucks, and that's more dangerous than being a cop or in the military!

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I'm not going to be stuck on an island with bRick I don't care how much we could charge.

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There is a ton of regulation. And it's increasing by the day. So it is increasingly costing me time and money.

There are many industries that have little or nothing to do with government money.
Sell your business and become a garbageman if you don't like it!


Rick is killing it in this thread.

Not really.
He forgot that garbage men drive trucks, and that's more dangerous than being a cop or in the military!



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Not really.
He forgot that garbage men drive trucks, and that's more dangerous than being a cop or in the military!



:lol:
I'm not sure why you'd be laughing at that since it is your bright idea that anyone who doesn't like their white collar working conditions should become a blue collar worker. spanky accidentally mocked you instead of me!

I also should point out that I never said being a truck driver is more dangerous than being in the military.

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I don't think I could drive a garbage truck.

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:lol: :lol: :lol:

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The economic climate today is more and more regulations at every level. Those regulations take someone to read, decipher and determine what a business should do. Either you pay someone to do this, which many do, or you take the time to do this...either way...there is a costs to the new regulations even before implementing them.

These conditions favor large business and a further burden on small business in America....

This was something I really thought MR CHANGE was going to work. Tax credits for small businesses, some REAL incentives, etc. He has done little to nothing...and much of that is because he doesnt know WTF he is talking about. Doesnt mean he cant understand it, but he doesnt know it.


Without those pesky regulations, you have a fertilizer plant in Texas that explodes, killing 15, injuring more than 160 people, and destroying 150 buildings.


Okay, but I think you're completely missing BigFan's point.

Like, totally missing it.


I got it, I was making a counterpoint.

Regulations is a word like taxes to many on the right. Bad in any context.


Some of the most highly regulated and centralized economies of the 20th century also experienced the most rapid and sustained growth--Japan, South Korea, Singapore, etc (see the collected works of Chalmers Johnson--beginning with his early, groundbreaking study of the Japanese economy--for more on this). Regulation and centralization are not necessarily the foes of economic prosperity. We should also consider that the "golden age of the American economy" is widely considered to be the 1950s and 1960s, an era of massive growth for the U.S. economy, and a period in which economic activity was governed by a more extensive set of regulations than exist today. Beginning in the Reagan era, many governmental regulations were eased and regulatory bodies de-funded. This neoliberal approach to governing helped create the bubble economy of the mid-1990s and the mortgage crisis of the 2000s.

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Some of the most highly regulated and centralized economies of the 20th century also experienced the most rapid and sustained growth--Japan, South Korea, Singapore, etc (see the collected works of Chalmers Johnson--beginning with his early, groundbreaking study of the Japanese economy--for more on this). Regulation and centralization are not necessarily the foes of economic prosperity. We should also consider that the "golden age of the American economy" is widely considered to be the 1950s and 1960s, an era of massive growth for the U.S. economy, and a period in which economic activity was governed by a more extensive set of regulations than exist today. Beginning in the Reagan era, many governmental regulations were eased and regulatory bodies de-funded. This neoliberal approach to governing helped create the bubble economy of the mid-1990s and the mortgage crisis of the 2000s.


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How about working in a tuna cannery?

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Not really.
He forgot that garbage men drive trucks, and that's more dangerous than being a cop or in the military!



:lol:
I'm not sure why you'd be laughing at that since it is your bright idea that anyone who doesn't like their white collar working conditions should become a blue collar worker. spanky accidentally mocked you instead of me!

I also should point out that I never said being a truck driver is more dangerous than being in the military.



Because once again you just try and create an argument where one doesn't exist.

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Some of the most highly regulated and centralized economies of the 20th century also experienced the most rapid and sustained growth--Japan, South Korea, Singapore, etc (see the collected works of Chalmers Johnson--beginning with his early, groundbreaking study of the Japanese economy--for more on this). Regulation and centralization are not necessarily the foes of economic prosperity. We should also consider that the "golden age of the American economy" is widely considered to be the 1950s and 1960s, an era of massive growth for the U.S. economy, and a period in which economic activity was governed by a more extensive set of regulations than exist today. Beginning in the Reagan era, many governmental regulations were eased and regulatory bodies de-funded. This neoliberal approach to governing helped create the bubble economy of the mid-1990s and the mortgage crisis of the 2000s.


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What was the global economy like in the 1950's and 60's like? What were the state of the major non-U.S. industrialized powers like? I get your point but the U.S. was pretty much the only major power that had a positive demographic trend as well as not being completely blown to rubble. It would be next to impossible to no have a rapidly growing economy just from expanding demographics and pent up demand at home and abroad.

Also, again, I don't think BigFan is making the arguement for no regulations so fertilizer plants blow up or MBS bundles go to redline...his point (I think) is that large corporations use regulations like a weapon to smash competition and enforce defacto monopolies which is a negative thing.

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The new trend seems to be taking salaried employees(based on a 40 hour work week) and expecting them to volunteer to work an extra 20-50 hours with no benefit besides good reviews.


Exactly. And the answer isn't simply "go work somewhere else". Once this paradigm is a firmly established and accepted practice, there will always be some douchebag who answers e-mails at 2:00 in the morning and everyone else will be measured against that bootlicker.



It's not a new trend to expect more than 40 hours a week out of a salaried employee.

And why isn't the answer "to go work somewhere else"? There are numerous blue collar jobs that pay OT and go unfilled day after day. Where does it say that if I go to college, I'm supposed to get a job in an office paying six figures?



It is a new trend to manage employees to the second. Or at least it's Taylorism come back into vogue. I can tell from the stuff you're writing that you aren't familiar with Amazon and its business practices. You should do a little research and we can have a better conversation.

Also, you may not be familiar with the HR software that is rapidly becoming the big kid on the block and will eventually replace Peoplesoft. Bezos was an early investor in Workday and it has already begun incorporating the time management and constant employee review components into a product that most companies will likely be using within ten or fifteen years. Workday Rising! Go, rich guys, go! Fuck the workingman!

And I have no idea what you're talking about in your last sentence or how it applies to this topic.



No, it's not. Assembly lines by their nature managed employees by the second.

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Some of the most highly regulated and centralized economies of the 20th century also experienced the most rapid and sustained growth--Japan, South Korea, Singapore, etc (see the collected works of Chalmers Johnson--beginning with his early, groundbreaking study of the Japanese economy--for more on this). Regulation and centralization are not necessarily the foes of economic prosperity. We should also consider that the "golden age of the American economy" is widely considered to be the 1950s and 1960s, an era of massive growth for the U.S. economy, and a period in which economic activity was governed by a more extensive set of regulations than exist today. Beginning in the Reagan era, many governmental regulations were eased and regulatory bodies de-funded. This neoliberal approach to governing helped create the bubble economy of the mid-1990s and the mortgage crisis of the 2000s.


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What was the global economy like in the 1950's and 60's like? What were the state of the major non-U.S. industrialized powers like? I get your point but the U.S. was pretty much the only major power that had a positive demographic trend as well as not being completely blown to rubble. It would be next to impossible to no have a rapidly growing economy just from expanding demographics and pent up demand at home and abroad.

Also, again, I don't think BigFan is making the arguement for no regulations so fertilizer plants blow up or MBS bundles go to redline...his point (I think) is that large corporations use regulations like a weapon to smash competition and enforce defacto monopolies which is a negative thing.

That is all.

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Which was LTG's point and is exactly right.

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No, it's not. Assembly lines by their nature managed employees by the second.


Unions negotiated reasonable expectations (although I'm sure many might suggest they negotiated slacker production) of workers on assembly lines. Without such union protection a Jeff Bezos is free to work his employees to the point of karoshi like a bunch of mules.

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No, it's not. Assembly lines by their nature managed employees by the second.


Unions negotiated reasonable expectations (although I'm sure many might suggest they negotiated slacker production) of workers on assembly lines. Without such union protection a Jeff Bezos is free to work his employees to the point of karoshi like a bunch of mules.


So we are in agreement that what Bezos is currently doing is nothing new.

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Because once again you just try and create an argument where one doesn't exist.
Your solution to others who didn't like their work environment to become garbagemen and then complained about your work enviornment.

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There is a ton of regulation. And it's increasing by the day. So it is increasingly costing me time and money.

There are many industries that have little or nothing to do with government money.




I just charge my clients more for my time and they pay me.

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No complaints here.

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I just charge my clients more for my time and they pay me.

:lol: :lol:

No complaints here.



eggzactly. more gov't regs helps the entrenched businesses and leads to less competition.

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