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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 3:49 pm 
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The NFL bubble is beginning to burst. In 20 years, they will point to this time period when discussing the epic collapse of the NFL and sport of football.


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The NFL bubble is beginning to burst. In 20 years, they will point to this time period when discussing the epic collapse of the NFL and sport of football.
No they won't.

The NFL may go down in popularity eventually but it is fine now.

Just like in baseball, it takes a long time for enough fans to die to see a noticeable change.

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 Post subject: Re: Christ Carter
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Big Chicagoan wrote:
The NFL bubble is beginning to burst. In 20 years, they will point to this time period when discussing the epic collapse of the NFL and sport of football.
No they won't.

The NFL may go down in popularity eventually but it is fine now.

Just like in baseball, it takes a long time for enough fans to die to see a noticeable change.

You're wearing down. You used to dismiss these posts out of hand, not its "may go down eventually..."


Just get a LaCrosse stick and start rooting for some goals


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 Post subject: Re: Christ Carter
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Wonder if he loses his job at ESPN for this. Cuz we all know the NFL has influence over all of their TV partners. Chris Carter basically told rookies to commit a crime to cover up their crimes. At an NFL sponsored event to teach rookies to be good. Only the NFL. Only the NFL. Gotta love them. :lol:

The added bonus was Warren Sapp as the other role model on stage while CC spoke.


:lol:

So much fail in the whole thing.


Not to mention that the video of Carter’s remarks at the 2014 symposium had been posted on NFL.com until it was removed Sunday.


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 Post subject: Re: Christ Carter
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Big Chicagoan wrote:
The NFL bubble is beginning to burst. In 20 years, they will point to this time period when discussing the epic collapse of the NFL and sport of football.
No they won't.

The NFL may go down in popularity eventually but it is fine now.

Just like in baseball, it takes a long time for enough fans to die to see a noticeable change.

You're wearing down. You used to dismiss these posts out of hand, not its "may go down eventually..."


Just get a LaCrosse stick and start rooting for some goals
I always said that. It may take 100 years though.

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 Post subject: Re: Christ Carter
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carter has always been an asshole. i remember him up in minnesota when moss and culpepper were coming on the scene and he could see he was no longer getting all of the red zone targets. he was there standing on the sideline jawing at culpepper like an asshole and trying to intimidate him into throwing him the ball.


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 Post subject: Re: Christ Carter
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I guess Chris Carter is gonna apologize on MNF tonight.

One thing he's gotta move on from is "I can't believe I said that". That was his early walk back.

No, Chris. We all saw the video. You said it with such passion and even humor. You meant everything you said. It wasn't a slip up. You spent a good minute telling the kids the importance of it.

He's a weezle. He'll probably work up some fake tears tonight. That's the type of ass hole that he is.


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 Post subject: Re: Christ Carter
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He's right. If you have an entourage you should have people willing to do whatever it takes to keep your image clean.


but you don't say that in your official speech. You say that to guys during the cocktail party afterwards.


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He's a weezle.

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 Post subject: Re: Christ Carter
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I always disliked his eyebrows, too big. Also, hated his first down move.

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I always disliked his eyebrows, too big. Also, hated his first down move.


He looks like a Muppet.

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 Post subject: Re: Christ Carter
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I missed it. Did he apologize? What did he say?


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 Post subject: Re: Christ Carter
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Dumb ass.

The apology.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9oyfJ1PD88

"It's not something I would say"

No. It's exactly what you would say. Why? Because you said it.

"I would never advise players to avoid prosecution."

No. That's exactly what you advised players to do.


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Dumb ass.

The apology.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9oyfJ1PD88

"It's not something I would say"

No. It's exactly what you would say. Why? Because you said it.

"I would never advise players to avoid prosecution."

No. That's exactly what you advised players to do.



He provided you an insight into the athlete's mindset. Rich, privileged and so on. He meant every single word he said.

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 Post subject: Re: Christ Carter
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If this wasn't Carter, if it was a non ESPN guy, it would be discussed and ridiculed over all ESPN platforms. I haven't heard any of ESPN radio or TV today. But I'm assuming they got the memo not to discuss and/or rip Carter.

It's ESPN and Disney. They should just pay him off and lose him. The money is spit in the ocean for them. Why bother with this thing? Hire some other dumb ass to replace him. Or hire nobody. Too many people at the desk for these pre games anyway.


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 Post subject: Re: Christ Carter
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You know what's a better idea for the NFL? Instead of having ex NFL druggies, drunks and thugs like Carter and Sapp talk to the players, why not have them go to a prison and hear the stories from those guys? Or have them listen to family members of those that got killed in DUI accidents. Or listen to domestic abuse victims.

Maybe it's not a good idea for ex NFL felons to talk to the rookies.

Rodger Goodell: :oops:

Beardown: Yeah, buddy. You should be embarrassed. You've had a bad 15 months and it's only getting worse.


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 Post subject: Re: Christ Carter
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He told NFL rookies to get a "Fall guy" for their crimes. This is an NFL endorsed event where they get vets to teach rookies how to behave. This video was actually up on NFL.com before they realized what this idiot said. :lol:


Because all you guys aren’t going to do the right stuff. I need to teach to you how to get around all of this stuff too. If you have a crew, one of them fools need to know that they’re going to jail.

I know a lot of you aren’t going to drink, i know a lot of you aren’t going to use drugs but still get yourself a fall guy”


http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/08/23/cris-carter-nfl-rookies-fall-guy


Has anyone on the Score blamed Goodell for this yet?


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I don't know. I blame Goodell. That's all that matters.

Dumb ass Goodell pays guys like Sapp and Carter to talk to these rookies. Let's also not forget that the NFL employed Sapp on the NFL network knowing his history as a thug. Had to fire him cuz he was with hookers at the Super Bowl.


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I can't help but think this is one of those 'I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin' sorta things.

That is, it's not an 'official' position and one the NFL would deny if pressed, but one that they strictly encourage.

The way the NFL protects its multi billion dollar brand? I would think some 'fall guy' that came up in the hood with XYZ player taking the rap is a hell of a lot more palatable to the NFL than yet another one if it's highly paid, high profile employees doing yet another criminal thing.


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 Post subject: Re: Christ Carter
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Image


Actually what Carter is saying, is they need Reg.


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I don't know Chris Carter's contract situation. Maybe they renew these NFL TV guys annually. But he needs to be fired. The NFL needs to make ESPN fire him.

If he does have a contract, maybe it will be like Dan Marino. Remember when Marino banged that CBS producer. They didn't fire him right away but a year later his contract expired and they just didn't renew him.

But the NFL has taken an image beating over the last year. You can't have Chris Carter be on ESPN Sundays and Mondays when he was teaching rookies how to get away with crimes. It's bad optics.

I think the NFL will make ESPN fire him, though. Maybe they're working on a buy out now.


Why?

I realize the NFL is all powerful and ESPN is dross, but I'm not cool with one company telling another what to do. The NFL already appears to have too much power.

At the end of the day, does it really matter? Carter is a talking head on a sports network that, over the last 10 years or so, has decided it's all about some sort of social agenda.

Will ESPN lose credibility and/or be required to be held to some higher standard? The network that just gave us the Caitlyn Jenner 'courage award' thing and trots out Stephen A Smith and Skip Bayless on the daily? They have no credibility. A turd like Carter won't change that.


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It really should be a bigger issue as it is a leader in the African American community perpetuating several harmful stereotypes.

ESPN: the station that derides law abiding citizens as cornball brothers and employs the monosyllabic with murky pasts.

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a leader in the African American community.


really ?


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a leader in the African American community.


really ?


someone thinks so or they wouldn't have had him speak

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It really should be a bigger issue as it is a leader in the African American community perpetuating several harmful stereotypes.

ESPN: the station that derides law abiding citizens as cornball brothers and employs the monosyllabic with murky pasts.


Exactly what stereotypes is it perpetuating?


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midenginerearwheeldrive wrote:
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It really should be a bigger issue as it is a leader in the African American community perpetuating several harmful stereotypes.

ESPN: the station that derides law abiding citizens as cornball brothers and employs the monosyllabic with murky pasts.


Exactly what stereotypes is it perpetuating?


That if you are young, black and wealthy, it is a foregone conclusion that you will break the law in a fairly serious manner?

That if you are young, black and wealthy, it is a foregone conclusion that you will surround yourself with hangers on that have so few prospects in life that they would be willing to be incarcerated just to stay in your good graces.

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good dolphin wrote:
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It really should be a bigger issue as it is a leader in the African American community perpetuating several harmful stereotypes.

ESPN: the station that derides law abiding citizens as cornball brothers and employs the monosyllabic with murky pasts.


Exactly what stereotypes is it perpetuating?


That if you are young, black and wealthy, it is a foregone conclusion that you will break the law in a fairly serious manner?

That if you are young, black and wealthy, it is a foregone conclusion that you will surround yourself with hangers on that have so few prospects in life that they would be willing to be incarcerated just to stay in your good graces.


I'm pretty sure he spoke to ALL NFL players. Remember, the person who broke this story was Chris Borland. Last time I checked, Chris Borland was white.

And the fact that 70% of the NFL is black, suggests that most of the players that he'll be speaking to are in fact, black. Also, suggests that a good percentage of the players who will get in trouble will be black. It's a numbers thing.


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I guess Ray Lewis wasn't available to speak so they used Carter?

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midenginerearwheeldrive wrote:
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It really should be a bigger issue as it is a leader in the African American community perpetuating several harmful stereotypes.

ESPN: the station that derides law abiding citizens as cornball brothers and employs the monosyllabic with murky pasts.


Exactly what stereotypes is it perpetuating?


That if you are young, black and wealthy, it is a foregone conclusion that you will break the law in a fairly serious manner?

That if you are young, black and wealthy, it is a foregone conclusion that you will surround yourself with hangers on that have so few prospects in life that they would be willing to be incarcerated just to stay in your good graces.


I'm pretty sure he spoke to ALL NFL players. Remember, the person who broke this story was Chris Borland. Last time I checked, Chris Borland was white.

And the fact that 70% of the NFL is black, suggests that most of the players that he'll be speaking to are in fact, black. Also, suggests that a good percentage of the players who will get in trouble will be black. It's a numbers thing.


that was strangely non responsive

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good dolphin wrote:
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a leader in the African American community.


really ?


someone thinks so or they wouldn't have had him speak


That's definitely a reach. He wasn't just speaking to blacks. IIRC a white player outed him.

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