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Fickleness in sports fans is incredible? I find it rather common across all sports and fans.


I think Cub fans are more prone to exaggeration than any other group I've ever seen. Castro was compared to Pete Rose. Now he's a piece of shit. There's never any middle ground when middle ground is where the vast majority of guys fall. It's happening right now. I say Bryant looks like Nick Swisher and it's taken as an insult, some diminishment of a player who is already assumed to be great. But in three years, I wouldn't be surprised if Cub fans were trying to shove Bryant out the door to make room for the newest latest and greatest at third base.

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Rizzo is having one good year and already he's Hall of Fame bound. Chances are, he'll be forgotten like Jim Gentile.

Swisher is an excellent comp for Bryant. You should hope he does that well over his next ten seasons.

So, I say Rizzo compares to early Konerko, then you say that Konerko is in the Hall of Fame conversation and then all of a sudden "Cub fans are saying Rizzo is a Hall of Famer"

No. A Cub fan said Rizzo is putting up similar numbers to Paul Konerko (which is correct). You took over after that and attached way more meaning than was there.


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Cubs get more coverage in general, which is the main issue in all of this.


I don't mind them getting more coverage when they're good and the Sox are horseshit, like now. They should get more coverage. And I don't really think they do get more coverage over time. It's the way the two teams are covered. If Theo had drafted Trayce Thompson there would be a front page story on him and his 1.300 OPS in his first ten games everyday. And if Schwarber had been taken by the Sox, most stories would be about how they spent a high pick on a guy who is just a DH. Do you really disagree with that?

No.

But, all it takes is common sense to figure out why.

Theo and his colleagues have had great success drafting position players the past 10 years. Kenny Williams and the Sox organization haven't. One regime has the benefit of doubt.

Simple as that.


A fans of a team with a history such as the Cubs should be skeptics of everything.

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:lol: comparing 26 year olds to 21-22 year old rookies reeks of desperation.

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JORR seems to be doing a Dan Bernstein "People on Twitter" gambit.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
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Rizzo is having one good year and already he's Hall of Fame bound. Chances are, he'll be forgotten like Jim Gentile.

Swisher is an excellent comp for Bryant. You should hope he does that well over his next ten seasons.

So, I say Rizzo compares to early Konerko, then you say that Konerko is in the Hall of Fame conversation and then all of a sudden "Cub fans are saying Rizzo is a Hall of Famer"

No. A Cub fan said Rizzo is putting up similar numbers to Paul Konerko (which is correct). You took over after that and attached way more meaning than was there.


First, I've never said Konerko is in the Hall of Fame conversation. What I said was when you start talking about guys with better careers than Konerko you're heading into Hall of Fame territory.

Again, I think the real difference is that I don't get excited because a guy has a good season or two. Many, many guys do that. In fact, most guys who have a career of any length have at least a real good season or two. Darrin Jackson had 1994. It's a game of time and repetition. The fact that Rizzo is good in 2015 means he's good in 2015 and nothing more. If he has Jim Gentile's career, that's a nice piece of work.

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:lol: comparing 26 year olds to 21-22 year old rookies reeks of desperation.



What are you talking about? Eaton is in his second full season. I don't care how old a guy is. Is Castro better at 25 than he was at 20.

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JORR seems to be doing a Dan Bernstein "People on Twitter" gambit.


Not really. The only Cub fans posting at Chicago Cub Fan Message Board that aren't making the ridiculous stereotypical statements are RPB and believe it or not, Darkside.

I'm told Bryant is better than Eaton because of the numbers. Okay. When I say then Eaton is better than Russell, I'm told no, don't judge Russell on his numbers, you have to judge him on his age. It's just silly. Then another guy says all 30 GMs would take Russell over Eaton. How he knows this, I'm not sure. I'll just assume since he's a Cub fan, he knows everything.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
KDdidit wrote:
JORR seems to be doing a Dan Bernstein "People on Twitter" gambit.


Not really. The only Cub fans posting at Chicago Cub Fan Message Board that aren't making the ridiculous stereotypical statements are RPB and believe it or not, Darkside.

I'm told Bryant is better than Eaton because of the numbers. Okay. When I say then Eaton is better than Russell, I'm told no, don't judge Russell on his numbers, you have to judge him on his age. It's just silly. Then another guy says all 30 GMs would take Russell over Eaton. How he knows this, I'm not sure. I'll just assume since he's a Cub fan, he knows everything.

Yes, you're just replacing "People on Twitter" with "people at CSFMB" and making sweeping judgments.


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KDdidit wrote:
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KDdidit wrote:
JORR seems to be doing a Dan Bernstein "People on Twitter" gambit.


Not really. The only Cub fans posting at Chicago Cub Fan Message Board that aren't making the ridiculous stereotypical statements are RPB and believe it or not, Darkside.

I'm told Bryant is better than Eaton because of the numbers. Okay. When I say then Eaton is better than Russell, I'm told no, don't judge Russell on his numbers, you have to judge him on his age. It's just silly. Then another guy says all 30 GMs would take Russell over Eaton. How he knows this, I'm not sure. I'll just assume since he's a Cub fan, he knows everything.

Yes, you're just replacing "People on Twitter" with "people at CSFMB" and making sweeping judgments.


The difference is we are all participating in this medium. I'm not using some sweeping generalization. You can read all the thoughts of the people I'm referencing right here. Bryant is better than Eaton because the numbers. Russell is better than Eaton because they said so. :lol:

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
You can read all the thoughts of the people I'm referencing right here.

And instead of naming them you usually just say "Cub fans" unless someone specifically asks you who said that.


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KDdidit wrote:
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You can read all the thoughts of the people I'm referencing right here.

And instead of naming them you usually just say "Cub fans" unless someone specifically asks you who said that.


It was easier to list those that don't fit: RPB, Darkside.

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Rizzo is having one good year and already he's Hall of Fame bound. Chances are, he'll be forgotten like Jim Gentile.

Swisher is an excellent comp for Bryant. You should hope he does that well over his next ten seasons.

So, I say Rizzo compares to early Konerko, then you say that Konerko is in the Hall of Fame conversation and then all of a sudden "Cub fans are saying Rizzo is a Hall of Famer"

No. A Cub fan said Rizzo is putting up similar numbers to Paul Konerko (which is correct). You took over after that and attached way more meaning than was there.


Noooo.... JORR taking something out of context to fit his own agenda? Noooooooooo, say it ain't so.

Cub fans..
Rizzo comp Konerko

Sox fans. say Swisher

None of it matters. Cub fans hope for the best and Sox subdivision wants him to fail.

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I'm sure there are plenty of Cubs fans here like myself who agree with those 2 on some things but see no point in bothering with stupid Cub/Sox debates.


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
KDdidit wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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JORR seems to be doing a Dan Bernstein "People on Twitter" gambit.


Not really. The only Cub fans posting at Chicago Cub Fan Message Board that aren't making the ridiculous stereotypical statements are RPB and believe it or not, Darkside.

I'm told Bryant is better than Eaton because of the numbers. Okay. When I say then Eaton is better than Russell, I'm told no, don't judge Russell on his numbers, you have to judge him on his age. It's just silly. Then another guy says all 30 GMs would take Russell over Eaton. How he knows this, I'm not sure. I'll just assume since he's a Cub fan, he knows everything.

Yes, you're just replacing "People on Twitter" with "people at CSFMB" and making sweeping judgments.


The difference is we are all participating in this medium. I'm not using some sweeping generalization. You can read all the thoughts of the people I'm referencing right here. Bryant is better than Eaton because the numbers. Russell is better than Eaton because they said so. :lol:


OMG.. is Rodon better then Hammel JORR? YES OR NO


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OMG.. is Rodon better then Hammel JORR? YES OR NO


Obviously not right now. But I would hope that a guy that was taken fourth in the draft would turn out better than a guy who has pitched 10 years and is about 10 games under .500. Hammel is the definition of a journeyman.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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OMG.. is Rodon better then Hammel JORR? YES OR NO


Obviously not right now. But I would hope that a guy that was taken fourth in the draft would turn out better than a guy who has pitched 10 years and is about 10 games under .500. Hammel is the definition of a journeyman.


And Cub fans are hopeful that guys taken in the top 5 of the draft would be better then Ryan fuckin Klesko. No need to twist it saying we think they are all going to be all stars. We HOPE they will become all stars like you hope Rodon becomes one. We HOPE they win the World Series every year. I would hope Sox fans do the same for their team. Cubs are putting themselves in position to win the world series. Sox are not. Nothing to argue about. It's a fact, just check the standings.


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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:lol: comparing 26 year olds to 21-22 year old rookies reeks of desperation.



What are you talking about? Eaton is in his second full season. I don't care how old a guy is. Is Castro better at 25 than he was at 20.

No.


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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OMG.. is Rodon better then Hammel JORR? YES OR NO


Obviously not right now. But I would hope that a guy that was taken fourth in the draft would turn out better than a guy who has pitched 10 years and is about 10 games under .500. Hammel is the definition of a journeyman.

JORR reaching for the stars. With feet planted on the ground. Stubborn mule. :twisted:


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Juiced wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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OMG.. is Rodon better then Hammel JORR? YES OR NO


Obviously not right now. But I would hope that a guy that was taken fourth in the draft would turn out better than a guy who has pitched 10 years and is about 10 games under .500. Hammel is the definition of a journeyman.


And Cub fans are hopeful that guys taken in the top 5 of the draft would be better then Ryan fuckin Klesko. No need to twist it saying we think they are all going to be all stars. We HOPE they will become all stars like you hope Rodon becomes one. We HOPE they win the World Series every year. I would hope Sox fans do the same for their team. Cubs are putting themselves in position to win the world series. Sox are not. Nothing to argue about. It's a fact, just check the standings.


Klesko isn't Jason Hammel though. If you told me Rodon would be Al Leiter, I wouldn't argue. He probably won't be as good.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Juiced wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Juiced wrote:
OMG.. is Rodon better then Hammel JORR? YES OR NO


Obviously not right now. But I would hope that a guy that was taken fourth in the draft would turn out better than a guy who has pitched 10 years and is about 10 games under .500. Hammel is the definition of a journeyman.


And Cub fans are hopeful that guys taken in the top 5 of the draft would be better then Ryan fuckin Klesko. No need to twist it saying we think they are all going to be all stars. We HOPE they will become all stars like you hope Rodon becomes one. We HOPE they win the World Series every year. I would hope Sox fans do the same for their team. Cubs are putting themselves in position to win the world series. Sox are not. Nothing to argue about. It's a fact, just check the standings.


Klesko isn't Jason Hammel though. If you told me Rodon would be Al Leiter, I wouldn't argue. He probably won't be as good.

You really need your nurse to bring your meds. You are talking in a circle.


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What's so confusing for you?

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What's so confusing for you?

Your thought process.


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What's so confusing for you?

Your thought process.


How so?

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