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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 1:36 pm 
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This is fucking ridiculous. Another sign of the pussification of America.


Illinois Gov. Bruce Rauner (R) on Monday signed into law a sweeping reform of the state's school discipline policies, putting Illinois at the forefront of the nationwide push to make school discipline less exclusionary and more effective.

Senate Bill 100 eliminates automatic "zero tolerance" suspensions and expulsions, and requires that schools exhaust all other means of intervention before expelling students or suspending them for more than three days. The bill also prohibits fines and fees for misbehavior, and requires schools to communicate with parents about why certain disciplinary measures are being used.

Under the new law, which goes into effect in September of 2016, students returning from suspension will be allowed to make up the school work they missed, and students suspended for more than four days will be offered access to support services, like academic counseling and mental health professionals.

"For too long, harsh school discipline practices have contributed to the under-education and over-criminalization of young people, and especially youth of color," Dalia Mena, an 18-year-old member of Voices of Youth in Chicago Education, a group that lobbied on behalf of the bill's passage, said in a statement. "Illinois now provides more tools for schools to create environments where all students are valued and supported in their learning."

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"Zero Tolerance" is almost always a stupid policy.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
"Zero Tolerance" is almost always a stupid policy.


I agree. That being said a suspension shouldn't be a vacation.

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Nas wrote:
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"Zero Tolerance" is almost always a stupid policy.


I agree. That being said a suspension shouldn't be a vacation.


It's not a vacation if the parents do their jobs. Kids shouldn't miss out on college because of a stupid mistake they made at 15. Parents DO YOUR JOB! and stop asking for others to do it for you.

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"Zero Tolerance" is almost always a stupid policy.


I agree. That being said a suspension shouldn't be a vacation.
Agreed.

I timed my only suspension well. It was right before Christmas break and my parents didn't care because it was for a dumb reason anyways. I do seem to remember thinking just how poor of a punishment it was though if I was supposed to learn a lesson.

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My high school had ISS (in school suspension), where you sat in a tiny, windowless room for the entire day.

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My high school had ISS (in school suspension), where you sat in a tiny, windowless room for the entire day.

Same here. Pretty fucked up, isn't it?

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My high school had ISS (in school suspension), where you sat in a tiny, windowless room for the entire day.

I got sent to ISS once back in jr high for not doing my homework. Teacher booted me down there and I was told not to come back until I finished it. Got to ISS and was promptly told I couldn't work on homework there. Same when I got a detention; can't do homework here. Our school prescribed to the Springfield Elementary school of punishment; repeatedly writing one sentence over and over.

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My high school had ISS (in school suspension), where you sat in a tiny, windowless room for the entire day.

I got sent to ISS once back in jr high for not doing my homework. Teacher booted me down there and I was told not to come back until I finished it. Got to ISS and was promptly told I couldn't work on homework there. Same when I got a detention; can't do homework here. Our school prescribed to the Springfield Elementary school of punishment; repeatedly writing one sentence over and over.


I didn't think teachers had been allowed to do the sentence over and over punishment within the last 25 years. My mother (an elem. school principal then) went absolutely ballistic about this years and years ago when my whole 4th grade class got one.

I'm glad (if I read that right) that the "zero tolerance" policy has gone out of the window as well. The logic of applying it to a student who was not the instigator of a fight always baffled/angered me.

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My high school had ISS (in school suspension), where you sat in a tiny, windowless room for the entire day.

I got sent to ISS once back in jr high for not doing my homework. Teacher booted me down there and I was told not to come back until I finished it. Got to ISS and was promptly told I couldn't work on homework there. Same when I got a detention; can't do homework here. Our school prescribed to the Springfield Elementary school of punishment; repeatedly writing one sentence over and over.


I didn't think teachers had been allowed to do the sentence over and over punishment within the last 25 years.

It was around 1998

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Why was it decided that the "writing a hundred times" was not acceptable? When I was in Catholic grade school we had a punishment where you had to take some odd number like 630,432 and subtract 3 or whatever and write every continuing equation down to zero.

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Why was it decided that the "writing a hundred times" was not acceptable? When I was in Catholic grade school we had a punishment where you had to take some odd number like 630,432 and subtract 3 or whatever and write every continuing equation down to zero.

Now they just do word problems involving Greek columns.

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Why was it decided that the "writing a hundred times" was not acceptable? When I was in Catholic grade school we had a punishment where you had to take some odd number like 630,432 and subtract 3 or whatever and write every continuing equation down to zero.

Now they just do word problems involving Greek columns.


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Why was it decided that the "writing a hundred times" was not acceptable?


Why was it acceptable in the first place? What does that accomplish?

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Why was it decided that the "writing a hundred times" was not acceptable?


Why was it acceptable in the first place? What does that accomplish?



Not sure really what it was supposed to accomplish other than a meaningless time wasting punishment. I suppose it could reinforce something depending on the sentence written. My curiosity had to do with the fact that even if it does not accomplish anything I do not find it cruel like getting hit with a board.

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Why was it decided that the "writing a hundred times" was not acceptable?


Why was it acceptable in the first place? What does that accomplish?
I think it is step one in the Amazon new employee training course.

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My high school had ISS (in school suspension), where you sat in a tiny, windowless room for the entire day.

Same here. Pretty fucked up, isn't it?


Yeah, totally fucked up, dude. Totally.

It's mind-blowing, really.


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Shit, if you went to catholic school and didn't get jugged a few times you should be beatified. Was no big deal.

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Suspensions work. Zero tolerance policies should probably be abolished though. The irony is that charters were the only schools currently using zero tolerance policies. Rauner is a big proponent of charter schools.

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Suspensions work. Zero tolerance policies should probably be abolished though. The irony is that charters were the only schools currently using zero tolerance policies. Rauner is a big proponent of charter schools.

Shaking up Springfield .

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Suspensions remove disruptive students from school. This in turn will allow other students an opportunity to learn. It's not a panacea, but nothing in education is a panacea.

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Thinly closeted Music teacher had us write some long ass sentence like "I will not interrupt class or interfere with Mr Sobak's music class in any way shape or form for the rest if this school year."


This was like 89-90 and some kid did it on a computer and that turned into a scandal in and of itself regarding copy paste


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I think they outlawed writing lines. It was considered corporal punishment I believe. Standing in the corner, spanking, pushing the garbage can are all considered corporal or excessive punishment. Cleaning bathrooms also.

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i always got saturday school when i didnt show up for class.

but if i didnt show up for saturday school they would give me in school suspension the next day.

i preferred that, because i didnt have to ruin my weekend and they would let me do all my homework PLUS bring me lunch right to my desk. it was first class service, i never had to get out of my seat all day. i just knew to get super stoned before in school suspension otherwise it was a drag

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I think they outlawed writing lines. It was considered corporal punishment I believe. Standing in the corner, spanking, pushing the garbage can are all considered corporal or excessive punishment. Cleaning bathrooms also.

If you mess up the bathroom, you can clean the bathroom. You can't be assigned general maintenance as a punishment though. That's like some kind of child-labor violation or something.
No spanking obviously.
No "standing in the corner".
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Writing assignments are not illegal. It's school. Kids write all day long, things they usually don't want to write. How is that different? I don't know anybody that assigns repetitive sentences - but some assign "supplemental" assignments, for lack of a better term. Not a whole lot of harm really. It's just not "fun" from the student's perspective. Consequences usually aren't fun.

I've never heard of "pushing a garbage can".

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I think they outlawed writing lines. It was considered corporal punishment I believe. Standing in the corner, spanking, pushing the garbage can are all considered corporal or excessive punishment. Cleaning bathrooms also.

If you mess up the bathroom, you can clean the bathroom. You can't be assigned general maintenance as a punishment though. That's like some kind of child-labor violation or something.
No spanking obviously.
No "standing in the corner".
No wall-sits.
Writing assignments are not illegal. It's school. Kids write all day long, things they usually don't want to write. How is that different? I don't know anybody that assigns repetitive sentences - but some assign "supplemental" assignments, for lack of a better term. Not a whole lot of harm really. It's just not "fun" from the student's perspective. Consequences usually aren't fun.

I've never heard of "pushing a garbage can".


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I say assign them general maintenance!

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