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Cicero Dave served under General Maintenance in the Custodian War.

But who is having sex with the hen?

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I say assign them general maintenance!

Cicero Dave served under General Maintenance in the Custodian War.

But who is having sex with the hen?


They're all chickens. The rooster has sex with all of them.

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I think they outlawed writing lines. It was considered corporal punishment I believe. Standing in the corner, spanking, pushing the garbage can are all considered corporal or excessive punishment. Cleaning bathrooms also.

If you mess up the bathroom, you can clean the bathroom. You can't be assigned general maintenance as a punishment though. That's like some kind of child-labor violation or something.
No spanking obviously.
No "standing in the corner".
No wall-sits.
Writing assignments are not illegal. It's school. Kids write all day long, things they usually don't want to write. How is that different? I don't know anybody that assigns repetitive sentences - but some assign "supplemental" assignments, for lack of a better term. Not a whole lot of harm really. It's just not "fun" from the student's perspective. Consequences usually aren't fun.

I've never heard of "pushing a garbage can".


pushing a garbage can in the cafeteria and allowing students to dump their trays inside of it. That's outlawed also.

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Why was it decided that the "writing a hundred times" was not acceptable? When I was in Catholic grade school we had a punishment where you had to take some odd number like 630,432 and subtract 3 or whatever and write every continuing equation down to zero.


We had to do that in detention at Gordon Tech. What a pain in the ass.

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The only thing I never understood was why you didn't get to make up any homework or tests when you got suspended.

Hey bad kid, who needs to straighten up, you also need to do less schoolwork and you are more likely to fail!

I think in my case though they did let me make it up because of how stupid the whole thing was but it was middle school where the grades don't matter anyways.

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At Marist, detention was handled by the extremely feared and respected Mr. Brazen (fo)

First half hour, you stand and read a hard cover book and second half hour sit and read.


If you bring a book that doesnt qualify, drop the book, or make any sound at all, you were dismissed and got two more days of JUG


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The day either of my kids get suspended from school is a day the will seriously regret...and they know it. it better not fucking happen for ANY reason. Same with having a bad teacher. My kids have had a few. I've had bad bosses. You are not in a position to win or be right. You make the best of it and do whatever it takes to survive with minimal damage. it will pass.

Most of today's parents feel differently so we have elaborate, over-complicated, in-effective discipline policies. Zero-tolerance for the most part doesn't work and I would bet has resulted in increase in out-of-school suspensions. In school suspensions cost money to staff and take up space in the schools which often do not exist.

Keep in mind the schools want / need higher grades to meet Federal / State standards for funding so of course they're going to enable work to get done during a suspension.

Politics are bad enough by themselves...politics infused into the school system is a nightmare.

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The day either of my kids get suspended from school is a day the will seriously regret...and they know it. it better not fucking happen for ANY reason. Same with having a bad teacher. My kids have had a few. I've had bad bosses. You are not in a position to win or be right. You make the best of it and do whatever it takes to survive with minimal damage. it will pass.

Most of today's parents feel differently so we have elaborate, over-complicated, in-effective discipline policies. Zero-tolerance for the most part doesn't work and I would bet has resulted in increase in out-of-school suspensions. In school suspensions cost money to staff and take up space in the schools which often do not exist.

Keep in mind the schools want / need higher grades to meet Federal / State standards for funding so of course they're going to enable work to get done during a suspension.

Politics are bad enough by themselves...politics infused into the school system is a nightmare.

Kind of what I told my kid, and thru 10th grade we have had zero issues. Better not start now.

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The day either of my kids get suspended from school is a day the will seriously regret...and they know it. it better not fucking happen for ANY reason. Same with having a bad teacher. My kids have had a few. I've had bad bosses. You are not in a position to win or be right. You make the best of it and do whatever it takes to survive with minimal damage. it will pass.

Most of today's parents feel differently so we have elaborate, over-complicated, in-effective discipline policies. Zero-tolerance for the most part doesn't work and I would bet has resulted in increase in out-of-school suspensions. In school suspensions cost money to staff and take up space in the schools which often do not exist.

Keep in mind the schools want / need higher grades to meet Federal / State standards for funding so of course they're going to enable work to get done during a suspension.

Politics are bad enough by themselves...politics infused into the school system is a nightmare.


Mike Manthey had a letter to little league parents that went around a year or so ago. My favorite quote was my coach was always right...even when he was wrong. We had shit coach the last 2 years. I put my head down and got thru it the first year but the second I started to come apart. Kids realize what's what at some point or it effects them. That's not right either. I quit playing basketball because the coach was an asshole.


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The day either of my kids get suspended from school is a day the will seriously regret...and they know it. it better not fucking happen for ANY reason. Same with having a bad teacher. My kids have had a few. I've had bad bosses. You are not in a position to win or be right. You make the best of it and do whatever it takes to survive with minimal damage. it will pass.

Most of today's parents feel differently so we have elaborate, over-complicated, in-effective discipline policies. Zero-tolerance for the most part doesn't work and I would bet has resulted in increase in out-of-school suspensions. In school suspensions cost money to staff and take up space in the schools which often do not exist.

Keep in mind the schools want / need higher grades to meet Federal / State standards for funding so of course they're going to enable work to get done during a suspension.

Politics are bad enough by themselves...politics infused into the school system is a nightmare.


Mike Manthey had a letter to little league parents that went around a year or so ago. My favorite quote was my coach was always right...even when he was wrong. We had shit coach the last 2 years. I put my head down and got thru it the first year but the second I started to come apart. Kids realize what's what at some point or it effects them. That's not right either. I quit playing basketball because the coach was an asshole.


So it was the favorite for you, but you didn't listen to it.

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I think screamed at my husband for about 2 months, then laughed my ass off, then cried. It was not pretty. The first year I put my head down because my son was happy. The second year he was not so happy. We talked about it, I told him the coach is right even when he's wrong. The coach has all the power. Vent to us but nobody else, be a good teammate, and always make the right play. There was quite a bit of coach/parent issues and he'd take it out on the kids if you said anything to him so I never said anything rude or offensive but I have no problem addressing or discussing my son or his play with his coach. 1 parent hated him more than I did, they fought constantly. 2 others have left the organization because of him. We made it clear we do not want him again or ever. Don't care how that gets done but it's not going to happen again. It wasn't over petty stuff either the guy is a fucking asshole.

My point is there needs to be a balance. Coach is always right is as bad as a zero tolerance policy. Some people are assholes, what I want to teach my son is don't add to the problem but handle it the best and most responsible way you can. Don't make yourself look like the jerk but change the situation if you can. Don't ever be afraid to speak up or speak his mind, but do it tactfully, responsibly, and in a way that won't have negative consequences.


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The day either of my kids get suspended from school is a day the will seriously regret...and they know it. it better not fucking happen for ANY reason. Same with having a bad teacher. My kids have had a few. I've had bad bosses. You are not in a position to win or be right. You make the best of it and do whatever it takes to survive with minimal damage. it will pass.
Schools, especially middle schools, are filled with stupid discipline measures by administrators that won't listen to reason. I'm glad my parents didn't get mad at me when I got a detention for watching other people have a pencil war over the lockers or getting suspended for being in a "fight" where I didn't throw a punch against a kid I would have put a serious hurting on if I had retaliated since I had about a foot on him. The worst one though was the detention I got for saying "The Bulls sucked". I asked why and I was told that there was a special needs student in the room who may have heard me and repeated it. I said "So what if he did?" and she said "The decision is final. Go to the principals office.".

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So you piss everybody off and nobody likes you?
Well, I had no problem getting along with my coaches, so I have that going for me.

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Spaulding, give us some examples of what the coach would do? Im just curious.


There really are a lot of jackass coaches. I thought it was just that you hear about the bad ones but Ive seen very few who understand it's a game for children.


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I think screamed at my husband for about 2 months, then laughed my ass off, then cried. It was not pretty. The first year I put my head down because my son was happy. The second year he was not so happy. We talked about it, I told him the coach is right even when he's wrong. The coach has all the power. Vent to us but nobody else, be a good teammate, and always make the right play. There was quite a bit of coach/parent issues and he'd take it out on the kids if you said anything to him so I never said anything rude or offensive but I have no problem addressing or discussing my son or his play with his coach. 1 parent hated him more than I did, they fought constantly. 2 others have left the organization because of him. We made it clear we do not want him again or ever. Don't care how that gets done but it's not going to happen again. It wasn't over petty stuff either the guy is a fucking asshole.

My point is there needs to be a balance. Coach is always right is as bad as a zero tolerance policy. Some people are assholes, what I want to teach my son is don't add to the problem but handle it the best and most responsible way you can. Don't make yourself look like the jerk but change the situation if you can. Don't ever be afraid to speak up or speak his mind, but do it tactfully, responsibly, and in a way that won't have negative consequences.


I always told the parents of kids I coached that I had no ego about my teaching. If they knew better, I was open to suggestions. However, I have been at it for a long time as both a player and a coach so what I was teaching had foundation.

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The day either of my kids get suspended from school is a day the will seriously regret...and they know it. it better not fucking happen for ANY reason. Same with having a bad teacher. My kids have had a few. I've had bad bosses. You are not in a position to win or be right. You make the best of it and do whatever it takes to survive with minimal damage. it will pass.
Schools, especially middle schools, are filled with stupid discipline measures by administrators that won't listen to reason. I'm glad my parents didn't get mad at me when I got a detention for watching other people have a pencil war over the lockers or getting suspended for being in a "fight" where I didn't throw a punch against a kid I would have put a serious hurting on if I had retaliated since I had about a foot on him. The worst one though was the detention I got for saying "The Bulls sucked". I asked why and I was told that there was a special needs student in the room who may have heard me and repeated it. I said "So what if he did?" and she said "The decision is final. Go to the principals office.".

At least you're over it.

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At least you're over it.
I'm not. That middle school detention haunts me to this day.

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I'm not. That middle school detention haunts me to this day.


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This is kind of my wheelhouse. Zero tolerance can be detrimental, but equally detrimental is the belief that students shouldn't be disciplined under any circumstances. It's known as restorative justice in educational circles and it is one of the biggest jokes running.

There has to be a happy medium, and quite frankly there isn't. Some people believe that schools are too punitive, while others believe that schools are not punitive enough. I tend to side with the latter point of view.

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well, it IS on your permanent record
It turns out the permanent record resets after middle school. I was able to straighten my life around with a new start.

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