The rest of Illinois would be just fine especially once the surrounding counties of Chicago started stealing a lot of jobs and businesses from the state of Chicago.

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They could flee to Indiana right now and dont.

Yeah, because Naperville and Schaumburg are the same as Gary, Indiana.

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IMU is not going to handle this news well.

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Your us vs them attitude is unhelpful. The country and regions need think more collectively. Issues like transportation (public trans, roads, airports) can't be properly maintained, built and funded by fighting amongst ourselves. The other problem is the constant luring of businesses from one place to the next with tax incentives. Instead, the entire country needs to think about making itself more globally competitive. That way the entire pie grow and states stop fighting one another for the scraps of what is left.

I have never lived in the city. However, I recognize Chicago as a vital and central part of the region and its vitality. Your type of thinking is in part what led to Detroit's downfall, not something we should wish upon Chicago.

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I would side more with this take. Other centers of commerce and business would grow and take root, there would be a balance. Chicago would then be free to drink its own blood to quench its thirst, eat it's own flesh to sate its hunger.

As for people not "fleeing" to Indiana, that's not quite true. They may not be "fleeing" but IL is losing taxpayers and has been for a while.

Gary is a lot, lot, lot cheaper than Schaumburg and Naperville. Still, no grand exodus to ultra business friendly Indiana. Probably because nobody wants to live in a red state.

Hey, do you guys think with a two-state solution where Illinois immediately swings 100% Republican people would quickly feel the same way about hick-ass Illinois as they do now about hick-ass Indiana? I do. Good luck getting any educated people to want to live outside the Chicago borders.

I'm getting the impression that you're a loon.

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I would say a majority of educated people in this country live outside of Chicago.

Jesus, man, do you live in reality with the rest of us? You sound super bitter and "out there" with the vitriol.

Taxpayers have been leaving leaving IL for a long time. There is your exodus. The exodus of the tax base.

He's trolling. That's all.

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His thoughts and tone are consistent across all of his posts.

I think he may have just fell off the back of a garbage truck.

It's because it is Gary, and Indiana doesn't even treat it well. The state of Illinois would position the surrounding suburbs as major competition that is only a few miles away.

Many of the suburbs of Chicago are already Republican.

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You know whats really unhelpful? The state of Illinois. Show me where the help has been from them at all in the last century?

Chicago punches Illinois' meal ticket and is then expected to solve all of its own problems alone. I'm tired of it, especially with the shitty attitude downstate has. The time to work together with the inbred downstate has come and gone, now we just go it alone.

Then what about Hammond, Crown Point, Portage, etc.? These places aren't lighting the world on fire. Hammond is 10 miles away from downtown on US 41. Its closer than all the suburbs except for like Cicero.

Nobody wants to live in Hammond because there's a stigma to living in places like Indiana. Illinois would gain that stigma the instant Chicago leaves, because the only reason anybody even recognizes Illinois' existence on this planet is Chicago.

Roads, trains and other infrastructure.

A lot of well to do people live in Chicago so there are a lot of state taxes paid. Why shouldn't they pay more?

I never knew America was such a staunch conservative. Why do my taxes go towards others?

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America, if you're looking toward the government for help, then you need to look in the mirror. I am not sure what you expect the state to do for you. For my part, I wish they would handle their finances better. But whether it was Blago or Quinn, it didn't really impact anything in my life. The Northeastern portion of the state has always been my home, and I like it here mostly because I like the culture/people.

There is no doubt that Chicago is the economic engine of Northern Illinois. The rest of the state is largely rural with pockets of industry like Peoria. No matter where you live, you pay the state income tax, sales tax, and gas/liquor taxes, so in that regard they are pulling their own weight. Locally, you pay higher sales taxes, but that money flows to local taxing bodies.

And this non-sense about hicks and red state stuff, what does that have to do with anything? It is that type of anger towards other Americans that is tearing this country apart. Trump is tapping into that with very negative consequences for our country.

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So you constantly rag on corporations and wealthy for shitting on the "regular guy".

Yet, with Chicago vs. Downstate, you're shitting on the "regular guy" downstaters.

Messed up man.

Yup.

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I don't know what world you live in but as someone who spent plenty of time both in the suburbs and driving in Northwest Indiana you just aren't correct at all.

So why do people and businesses choose to live in Schaumburg and Naperville? Why wouldn't they choose to live in Chicago?

The suburbs and Chicago have a symbiotic relationship built largely on the fact that they are in the same state and have similar interests at all but the local level.

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America...
If Illinois couldn't stand on its own without Chicago, why does Chicago need Illinois to save it?

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The only reason Illinois even pretends to invest in its people is because of the influence Chicago maintains by the brute force of population. If left to their own devices the rest of Illinois would descend immediately towards the depths only achieved by the lowliest Dixieland shitholes. It's what they want.



For a long time Chicago was capable of subsidizing their existence. I guess you could it noble to sacrifice a little so (against their wishes) downstate could enjoy life in the civilized world. But now we can't sustain it anymore, the amount of money paid in state taxes that's never heard from again is money we need now.

In order for Chicago to take care of others again, it needs to start taking care of itself. The best, most effective, way Chicago could do that is take that massive contribution to the state and spend it right here.

America is making me sound like a bleeding heart liberal. LOL. This class warfare crap....sigh.

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There is but one man who can fix Chicago, and I hope he will choose to do so after he leads the young, upstart Cubs to a World Series.

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The Chicago area has 9.7M people while IL has 12.9. That means our area has about 75% of the population, not too far off its 81.6% contribution to GDP. Once you account for higher pricing in our area, I'd say the economics are quite even.

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Exactly my point. Cut out the middleman.

Who would guess that the higher populated places would generate more in tax revenue?

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And that has a name that starts with a B, who will skip a meeting on Friday, to join the catfish at Wrigley.

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He cannot! But he might join you for drinks after. Keep your phone on, sexy.

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