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BUFFALO NEWS: Kane And Victim Involved In Settlement Talks, Grand Jury Delayed
http://sportsmockery.com/2015/09/buffal ... y-delayed/
As we reported from the Niagara Falls Reporter, the witnesses for the Patrick Kane investigation did NOT appear in front of the grand jury today as expected.
Buffalo News just reported why.
A grand jury investigation into rape allegations against National Hockey League star Patrick Kane set to begin Tuesday afternoon has been abruptly postponed, according to three current and former law enforcement sources with knowledge of the case.
The reason for the delay appears to involve the possibility of ongoing settlement talks between attorneys for Kane and the victim, two of the sources said.
The Buffalo News last week confirmed that summonses had been issued by the Erie County District Attorney’s Office to individuals directing them to appear before the grand jury, with the first witness set for 2 p.m. Tuesday.
If you remember, we reported the alleged victim’s friend talking about a settlement back on August 10th.
Assuming these reports are true, if a settlement is negotiated, that could mean Kane will end up with a lesser charge.
Or maybe… just maybe … he’s been innocent the whole time and just wants it over.

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It's up to the State of New York to press charges.

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SteveSarley wrote:
Or maybe… just maybe … he’s been innocent the whole time and just wants it over.
If he's innocent he should let the legal system play out.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Or maybe… just maybe … he’s been innocent the whole time and just wants it over.
If he's innocent he should let the legal system play out.

I agree, the only thing in my mind he could be thinking is with the start of training camp coming up to just get it over with.

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I agree, the only thing in my mind he could be thinking is with the start of training camp coming up to just get it over with.
If he settles pretty much everyone will rightfully think he is a rapist though.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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I agree, the only thing in my mind he could be thinking is with the start of training camp coming up to just get it over with.
If he settles pretty much everyone will rightfully think he is a rapist though.

True, it will be interesting to see how that is spun by his high dollar legal team.

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It's up to the State of New York to press charges.


Which will not happen if they dont have a key witness.

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I agree, the only thing in my mind he could be thinking is with the start of training camp coming up to just get it over with.
If he settles pretty much everyone will rightfully think he is a rapist though.


While he is playing hockey out of jail.

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I'm surprised this wasn't settled weeks ago.

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Not only does this make Kane appear to be a rapist after all, it also reinforces the #isupport88 crowd's bullshit about how the girl just wanted money. Ugly stuff all around.

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I agree, the only thing in my mind he could be thinking is with the start of training camp coming up to just get it over with.
If he settles pretty much everyone will rightfully think he is a rapist though.

See Jackson, Michael.

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I don't know why "Settlment talks" delay a Grand Jury hearing. I mean if I were the DA I would say settle or don't but we're having the hearing, as scheduled, until you do settle. You don't get to tell us to delay. Once you settle, then we'll cancel it would be my response.

Kane knew about the Grand Jury for at least a week. Probably longer. So it's on him to have this done before it started.

But I guess that's not the way it works. They can delay it obviously. Just doesn't seem right to me.


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Kane's atty's being quoted as saying "let the legal process play out". Doesn't sound like he's supporting these settlement rumors. Or he's just opening mouth and saying things for no reason. Could well be the latter.

Plenty of other reasons to bump a GJ hearing, esp one scheduled for the day after a long holiday weekend.

Figure the prosecutor would be po'd if he dedicated all the time and resources to processing her rape kit etc only to have
her decide to take the early check rather than wait for the likely bigger post-conviction check.


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Him settling makes you think he....


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If the accuser really wanted justice she could get both a conviction in a criminal case and money in a civil case. She could put him in jail and file a civil suit after it's over.


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Beardown wrote:
If the accuser really wanted justice she could get both a conviction in a criminal case and money in a civil case. She could put him in jail and file a civil suit after it's over.


Maybe she got cold feet and doesnt want to go the justice route?

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Scorehead wrote:
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If the accuser really wanted justice she could get both a conviction in a criminal case and money in a civil case. She could put him in jail and file a civil suit after it's over.


Maybe she got cold feet and doesn't want to go the justice route?


I don't think so. I think Kane went to her for the settlement. Not the other way. So they got this delay, but she might say "no".

But if it's like a 10 million dollar offer, let's face it, hard to turn that down even if you are a victim. Because then she's taking the chance it goes to trial, he's found not guilty. While she could still sue him civilly, it would be tough to win that if you already lost the criminal case. Even though it's less of a burden of proof.


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The DA is a guy named Sedita. His dad or grandfather was mayor of Buffalo for a very long time. I'm sure he has political aspirations of his own, and the last thing he wants is to get sucked into this foolishness.

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I'd suspend him for a season without pay for behavior detrimental to the Blackhawks.

After the year is up,I'd trade him to the worst team in hockey.

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The DA is a guy named Sedita. His dad or grandfather was mayor of Buffalo for a very long time. I'm sure he has political aspirations of his own, and the last thing he wants is to get sucked into this foolishness.

Again, big small town.

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I'd suspend him for a season without pay for behavior detrimental to the Blackhawks.

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Yessssssss! Pay her off and lets get the repeat underway.


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Kaner brought this attitude on with past behavior but he is really in zero win position. I have no idea what happened and am not victim shaming in any way. If he did it prison for him is my thinking. But at this point if by some slim chance he is innocent he really is fucked anyway.

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Multiple "sources" now saying no settlement talks (consistent with Kaner's atty's statement) and the case should go before the grand jury in about 2 weeks.


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How do you "settle" a criminal case? Is it a plea deal?

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Kanes agent interviewed, Kane telling him he is innocent.

Of course I am not surprised Kane said it, but for his agent, who I am just guessing had a detailed conversation with Kane to go on TV, might just push the innocent thing because as many have said, if he pays her, he becomes guilty in the publics on, so he doubles down here.

I cant help but think this thing was consensual until a certain point....and what point of NO is what will be the issue....and thus kaner really believes he is innocent.

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How do you "settle" a criminal case? Is it a plea deal?


You don't "settle" a criminal case. Not in legal terms. It just is no longer a criminal case worth pursuing once she takes money. She takes a deal which means she's no longer a witness for the prosecution. Once she takes the money they have her sign something saying she won't. So if you don't have the accuser, you can't prosecute.


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If the accuser really wanted justice she could get both a conviction in a criminal case and money in a civil case. She could put him in jail and file a civil suit after it's over.


Maybe she got cold feet and doesn't want to go the justice route?


I don't think so. I think Kane went to her for the settlement. Not the other way. So they got this delay, but she might say "no".

But if it's like a 10 million dollar offer, let's face it, hard to turn that down even if you are a victim. Because then she's taking the chance it goes to trial, he's found not guilty. While she could still sue him civilly, it would be tough to win that if you already lost the criminal case. Even though it's less of a burden of proof.


Wasn't it the prosecutor who requested the delay in the grand jury hearing?

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Beardown wrote:
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How do you "settle" a criminal case? Is it a plea deal?


You don't "settle" a criminal case. Not in legal terms. It just is no longer a criminal case worth pursuing once she takes money. She takes a deal which means she's no longer a witness for the prosecution. Once she takes the money they have her sign something saying she won't. So if you don't have the accuser, you can't prosecute.


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I'd pay to make this go away if I were him and don't necessarily see it as an admission of guilt. If she accepts and can be bought it makes her look worse, imo.


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