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Can we only judge her if she makes some Tim Hardaway-esque statement like, "I hate gay people"?

We clearly know her thoughts on the matter. If you disagree, make the case that she believes gay people can go to heaven.



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Of course not because you already judged her, without a Hardawayesque statement.

And now I'm supposed to help you disprove YOUR statement that YOU made that has no basis in fact? :lol: :lol: :lol: That's a joke right?

Thank you for not disagreeing with me. I'm glad we could come to a consensus.



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Kentucky clerk Kim Davis on gay marriage licenses: ‘It is a Heaven or Hell decision’
By Abby Ohlheiser
September 1

Kim Davis, the county clerk who refused to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples despite a Supreme Court ruling against her request to be excused from doing so, said at the Rowan County Courthouse on Tuesday that she was acting “under God’s authority.”

In a statement released through her attorneys, Davis further explained her decision to defy the high court.

“To issue a marriage license which conflicts with God’s definition of marriage, with my name affixed to the certificate, would violate my conscience,” Davis said. “It is not a light issue for me. It is a Heaven or Hell decision.”

The statement was posted to the Web site of the Liberty Counsel, a Christian legal aid group that is representing Davis.

The full statement reads:

I have worked in the Rowan County Clerk’s office for 27 years as a Deputy Clerk and was honored to be elected as the Clerk in November 2014, and took office in January 2015. I love my job and the people of Rowan County. I have never lived any place other than Rowan County. Some people have said I should resign, but I have done my job well. This year we are on track to generate a surplus for the county of 1.5 million dollars.

In addition to my desire to serve the people of Rowan County, I owe my life to Jesus Christ who loves me and gave His life for me. Following the death of my godly mother-in-law over four years ago, I went to church to fulfill her dying wish. There I heard a message of grace and forgiveness and surrendered my life to Jesus Christ. I am not perfect. No one is. But I am forgiven and I love my Lord and must be obedient to Him and to the Word of God.

I never imagined a day like this would come, where I would be asked to violate a central teaching of Scripture and of Jesus Himself regarding marriage. To issue a marriage license which conflicts with God’s definition of marriage, with my name affixed to the certificate, would violate my conscience. It is not a light issue for me. It is a Heaven or Hell decision. For me it is a decision of obedience. I have no animosity toward anyone and harbor no ill will. To me this has never been a gay or lesbian issue. It is about marriage and God’s Word. It is a matter of religious liberty, which is protected under the First Amendment, the Kentucky Constitution, and in the Kentucky Religious Freedom Restoration Act. Our history is filled with accommodations for people’s religious freedom and conscience. I want to continue to perform my duties, but I also am requesting what our Founders envisioned – that conscience and religious freedom would be protected. That is all I am asking. I never sought to be in this position, and I would much rather not have been placed in this position. I have received death threats from people who do not know me. I harbor nothing against them. I was elected by the people to serve as the County Clerk. I intend to continue to serve the people of Rowan County, but I cannot violate my conscience.

Davis is an Apostolic Christian who says that she is opposed to same-sex marriage — and that being forced to issue same-sex marriage licenses as part of her duties as clerk would violate her religious liberties.

So far, federal courts have disagreed, including a panel of judges from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit. Davis had until Tuesday to begin issuing marriage licences to all eligible couples who asked for them. She requested a stay from the Supreme Court on Friday; it was refused Monday, as The Post previously reported.

The legal battle is the highest-profile of several to emerge since the Supreme Court’s June decision to grant the right to marry to all couples in the United States, regardless of sexual orientation.


Abby Ohlheiser is a general assignment reporter for The Washington Post.

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Kentucky clerk Kim Davis on gay marriage licenses: ‘It is a Heaven or Hell decision’
By Abby Ohlheiser
September 1

Kim Davis, the county clerk who refused to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples despite a Supreme Court ruling against her request to be excused from doing so, said at the Rowan County Courthouse on Tuesday that she was acting “under God’s authority.”

In a statement released through her attorneys, Davis further explained her decision to defy the high court.

“To issue a marriage license which conflicts with God’s definition of marriage, with my name affixed to the certificate, would violate my conscience,” Davis said. “It is not a light issue for me. It is a Heaven or Hell decision.”

The statement was posted to the Web site of the Liberty Counsel, a Christian legal aid group that is representing Davis.

The full statement reads:

I have worked in the Rowan County Clerk’s office for 27 years as a Deputy Clerk and was honored to be elected as the Clerk in November 2014, and took office in January 2015. I love my job and the people of Rowan County. I have never lived any place other than Rowan County. Some people have said I should resign, but I have done my job well. This year we are on track to generate a surplus for the county of 1.5 million dollars.

In addition to my desire to serve the people of Rowan County, I owe my life to Jesus Christ who loves me and gave His life for me. Following the death of my godly mother-in-law over four years ago, I went to church to fulfill her dying wish. There I heard a message of grace and forgiveness and surrendered my life to Jesus Christ. I am not perfect. No one is. But I am forgiven and I love my Lord and must be obedient to Him and to the Word of God.

I never imagined a day like this would come, where I would be asked to violate a central teaching of Scripture and of Jesus Himself regarding marriage. To issue a marriage license which conflicts with God’s definition of marriage, with my name affixed to the certificate, would violate my conscience. It is not a light issue for me. It is a Heaven or Hell decision. For me it is a decision of obedience. I have no animosity toward anyone and harbor no ill will. To me this has never been a gay or lesbian issue. It is about marriage and God’s Word. It is a matter of religious liberty, which is protected under the First Amendment, the Kentucky Constitution, and in the Kentucky Religious Freedom Restoration Act. Our history is filled with accommodations for people’s religious freedom and conscience. I want to continue to perform my duties, but I also am requesting what our Founders envisioned – that conscience and religious freedom would be protected. That is all I am asking. I never sought to be in this position, and I would much rather not have been placed in this position. I have received death threats from people who do not know me. I harbor nothing against them. I was elected by the people to serve as the County Clerk. I intend to continue to serve the people of Rowan County, but I cannot violate my conscience.

Davis is an Apostolic Christian who says that she is opposed to same-sex marriage — and that being forced to issue same-sex marriage licenses as part of her duties as clerk would violate her religious liberties.

So far, federal courts have disagreed, including a panel of judges from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit. Davis had until Tuesday to begin issuing marriage licences to all eligible couples who asked for them. She requested a stay from the Supreme Court on Friday; it was refused Monday, as The Post previously reported.

The legal battle is the highest-profile of several to emerge since the Supreme Court’s June decision to grant the right to marry to all couples in the United States, regardless of sexual orientation.


Abby Ohlheiser is a general assignment reporter for The Washington Post.
Seacrest would be smart to avoid this thread from now on.

That's an open and shut case right there.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Kentucky clerk Kim Davis on gay marriage licenses: ‘It is a Heaven or Hell decision’
By Abby Ohlheiser
September 1

Kim Davis, the county clerk who refused to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples despite a Supreme Court ruling against her request to be excused from doing so, said at the Rowan County Courthouse on Tuesday that she was acting “under God’s authority.”

In a statement released through her attorneys, Davis further explained her decision to defy the high court.

“To issue a marriage license which conflicts with God’s definition of marriage, with my name affixed to the certificate, would violate my conscience,” Davis said. “It is not a light issue for me. It is a Heaven or Hell decision.”

The statement was posted to the Web site of the Liberty Counsel, a Christian legal aid group that is representing Davis.

The full statement reads:

I have worked in the Rowan County Clerk’s office for 27 years as a Deputy Clerk and was honored to be elected as the Clerk in November 2014, and took office in January 2015. I love my job and the people of Rowan County. I have never lived any place other than Rowan County. Some people have said I should resign, but I have done my job well. This year we are on track to generate a surplus for the county of 1.5 million dollars.

In addition to my desire to serve the people of Rowan County, I owe my life to Jesus Christ who loves me and gave His life for me. Following the death of my godly mother-in-law over four years ago, I went to church to fulfill her dying wish. There I heard a message of grace and forgiveness and surrendered my life to Jesus Christ. I am not perfect. No one is. But I am forgiven and I love my Lord and must be obedient to Him and to the Word of God.

I never imagined a day like this would come, where I would be asked to violate a central teaching of Scripture and of Jesus Himself regarding marriage. To issue a marriage license which conflicts with God’s definition of marriage, with my name affixed to the certificate, would violate my conscience. It is not a light issue for me. It is a Heaven or Hell decision. For me it is a decision of obedience. I have no animosity toward anyone and harbor no ill will. To me this has never been a gay or lesbian issue. It is about marriage and God’s Word. It is a matter of religious liberty, which is protected under the First Amendment, the Kentucky Constitution, and in the Kentucky Religious Freedom Restoration Act. Our history is filled with accommodations for people’s religious freedom and conscience. I want to continue to perform my duties, but I also am requesting what our Founders envisioned – that conscience and religious freedom would be protected. That is all I am asking. I never sought to be in this position, and I would much rather not have been placed in this position. I have received death threats from people who do not know me. I harbor nothing against them. I was elected by the people to serve as the County Clerk. I intend to continue to serve the people of Rowan County, but I cannot violate my conscience.

Davis is an Apostolic Christian who says that she is opposed to same-sex marriage — and that being forced to issue same-sex marriage licenses as part of her duties as clerk would violate her religious liberties.

So far, federal courts have disagreed, including a panel of judges from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit. Davis had until Tuesday to begin issuing marriage licences to all eligible couples who asked for them. She requested a stay from the Supreme Court on Friday; it was refused Monday, as The Post previously reported.

The legal battle is the highest-profile of several to emerge since the Supreme Court’s June decision to grant the right to marry to all couples in the United States, regardless of sexual orientation.


Abby Ohlheiser is a general assignment reporter for The Washington Post.
Seacrest would be smart to avoid this thread from now on.

That's an open and shut case right there.


:lol: :lol:

I posted the same quote in the original thread.

Do you even read what other people post here? :lol: :lol:

Did you even read the quote?

It's about her violating her conscience. Not about gay people going to hell. I still love you though Brick. You are something else. :lol: :lol:

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It's about her violating her conscience. Not about gay people going to hell. I still love you though Brick. You are something else. :lol: :lol:
Ok fair enough.

Why would she be sent to hell for granting marriage licenses to gay people?

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So she believes she would go to Hell for abetting the sin, but not the gays who are actually committing the sin?

Maybe the gays would cut a deal for a lighter sentence.

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It's about her violating her conscience. Not about gay people going to hell. I still love you though Brick. You are something else. :lol: :lol:
Ok fair enough.

Why would she be sent to hell for granting marriage licenses to gay people?



You are joking right?

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You are joking right?
What is the reason?

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So she believes she would go to Hell for abetting the sin, but not the gays who are actually committing the sin?

Maybe the gays would cut a deal for a lighter sentence.

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I know pharmacists who currently do this with Plan B. They step away and have somebody else complete the transaction.

I respect their choice.


Just not Kim Davis' choice?

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You are joking right?
What is the reason?


I already posted it.

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You are joking right?
What is the reason?


I already posted it.
From what I could gather, it is because homosexuality is a sin and therefore anyone engaging in it(without repenting) or granting a marriage license for it(without repenting) would go to hell for it.

So, she does think gays are going to hell. Good talk.

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The second quote was referring to people who don't stand in the way of others providing a service they themselves may disagree with.

Which Kim Davis didn't do.

Nice try though.

Good effort.

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I was worried this was going to be a thread ripping Johnny


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The second quote was referring to people who don't stand in the way of others providing a service they themselves may disagree with.

Which Kim Davis didn't do.

Nice try though.

Good effort.



You are not aware of the facts of the case. The state is unable to provide those services as we post without the OK of Kim Davis.

And this thread involved one person alleging gay people go to hell, and another poster claiming Kim Davis felt the same way without any basis in fact.

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And this thread involved one person alleging gay people go to hell, and another poster claiming Kim Davis felt the same way without any basis in fact.

Do gay people go to heaven?

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I like Ben Carson, but "faith" is the most trivial, insignifficant issue to discuss. I could care less if my President is Religions. Irrelevant.

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And this thread involved one person alleging gay people go to hell, and another poster claiming Kim Davis felt the same way without any basis in fact.
It would stand to reason that if granting a gay couple a marriage license would send the grantor to hell that it would also send the grantee to hell. Do you disagree?

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And this thread involved one person alleging gay people go to hell, and another poster claiming Kim Davis felt the same way without any basis in fact.
It would stand to reason that if granting a gay couple a marriage license would send the grantor to hell that it would also send the grantee to hell. Do you disagree?



Yes, I disagree.

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Yes, I disagree.
Ok, then explain why granting the marriage license would send her to hell.

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I could care less if my President is Religions.

If anything, it's extremely dangerous. George W Bush prayed on the issue of the Iraq invasion, and God told him to go ahead and attack.

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yep...and after the Lewinsky incident, President Clinton was walking around with a bible in his hand and Jess Jackson by his side.

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Yes, I disagree.
Ok, then explain why granting the marriage license would send her to hell.



I already did.

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I like Ben Carson, but "faith" is the most trivial, insignifficant issue to discuss. I could care less if my President is Religions. Irrelevant.

What if he thinks Evolution is a myth?


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I could care less if my President is Religions.

If anything, it's extremely dangerous. George W Bush prayed on the issue of the Iraq invasion, and God told him to go ahead and attack.


The entire Constitution and the majority of all laws that arose because of it, are based upon rights that were granted by a Supreme Being.

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I could care less if my President is Religions.

If anything, it's extremely dangerous. George W Bush prayed on the issue of the Iraq invasion, and God told him to go ahead and attack.


The entire Constitution and the majority of all laws that arose because of it, are based upon rights that were granted by a Supreme Being.

It was nice that God granted black people 3/5ths of personhood.

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I could care less if my President is Religions.

If anything, it's extremely dangerous. George W Bush prayed on the issue of the Iraq invasion, and God told him to go ahead and attack.


The entire Constitution and the majority of all laws that arose because of it, are based upon rights that were granted by a Supreme Being.

It was nice that God granted black people 3/5ths of personhood.


:lol:

That God. What a mensch.

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Douchebag wrote:
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Douchebag wrote:
wdelaney72 wrote:
I could care less if my President is Religions.

If anything, it's extremely dangerous. George W Bush prayed on the issue of the Iraq invasion, and God told him to go ahead and attack.


The entire Constitution and the majority of all laws that arose because of it, are based upon rights that were granted by a Supreme Being.

It was nice that God granted black people 3/5ths of personhood.


Were you unable to understand my post or you just chose to ignore it?

Btw, any quotes yet on Kim Davis casting folks into hell's eternal fire?

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The entire Constitution and the majority of all laws that arose because of it, are based upon rights that were granted by a Supreme Being.

It was nice that God granted black people 3/5ths of personhood.


Were you unable to understand my post or you just chose to ignore it?

If the entire constitution is based on rights granted by a supreme being (your words), then god granted black people the right of being 3/5ths of a person.

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