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And where pray-tell do these far superior NFL players come from? The job core? There are 128 Division I teams compared to 32 NFL teams ....there is barely enough talent to keep those 32 competitive :wink:

If you read the Wall Street Journal article it will say how there is hardly any coaching in college. Maybe if college coaching was somewhere near the level of the NFL we might have even more superior NFL athletes. As for 32 teams in the NFL, it is excessive, but it's excessive in every major sport. Which is anther topic for another time.

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Well, you're more accepting of bad than I am.
It isn't bad though. It's different.

Some of the most well known plays in NFL history were "mistakes".

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By the way, this is a great show. Best in Chicago still.

It really takes off for football season too.

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Oh jeez can you please stop. You seriously believe that the NFL makes mistakes at the same rate of College Football? Go ahead, enjoy your college football. I'm sure I can google some dumbass college football plays too.

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Oh jeez can you please stop. You seriously believe that the NFL makes mistakes at the same rate of College Football? Go ahead, enjoy your college football. I'm sure I can google some dumbass college football plays too.

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I'm sure I can google some dumbass college football plays too.


I'm not sure you can put a cogent thought process together. Actually, what with your showing in this thread, I'm trending towards being pretty sure you cannot. I'm also sure I'm not the only one reaching that conclusion.

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Dan had a theory the other day that all this over coaching at the lower levels is actually making QB play worse. The rich kids get the coaching, not the talented ones. The coached kids then start in HS, then take the college scholarships. They are not necessarily the most talented.

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I'm sure I can google some dumbass college football plays too.


I'm not sure you can put a cogent thought process together. Actually, what with your showing in this thread, I'm trending towards being pretty sure you cannot. I'm also sure I'm not the only one reaching that conclusion.


I'm glad that you enjoy college football


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By the way, this is a great show. Best in Chicago still.

It really takes off for football season too.


I think it's best during Hockey season. :wink:


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Dan had a theory the other day that all this over coaching at the lower levels is actually making QB play worse. The rich kids get the coaching, not the talented ones. The coached kids then start in HS, then take the college scholarships. They are not necessarily the most talented.


I thought that was a pretty decent theory.

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Dan had a theory the other day that all this over coaching at the lower levels is actually making QB play worse. The rich kids get the coaching, not the talented ones. The coached kids then start in HS, then take the college scholarships. They are not necessarily the most talented.


I thought that was a pretty decent theory.


Was it limited to just the QB position and/or football?

I've heard a similar posit suggesting that's the reason for a significant (apparently) lack of, oh, 'diversity' in many wintery-type sporting activities.

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My two cents on the QB problem is the offenses. This starts at the lowest levels. Almost all youth football these days are either spread or a variation of single wing. They do not necessarily identify the best "QB" in the sens of a pure passer or drop back guy much anymore.

It is even worse in HS and I believe it is lack of players forcing this spread offense or the coaches thinking they are getting kids ready for the college game better. So the entire feeder system is running stuff that does not seem to work at NFL athletic levels.

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Wasn't that long ago when when Matty Ice and Stafford, etc were peaking, everyone was talking about how deep the quality QBing was. Not much has changed since then. Could be OL play that's the real problem.

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While spread offenses in college may be making it tougher to find pro ready qbs, it sure as hell is helping speed up the development of wrs. Unless your rookie wr has a broken leg that is


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watching some 85 bears today while killing time at work...its not even the same game anymore. I hate this namby pamby arena league its turned into.

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I've heard a similar posit suggesting that's the reason for a significant (apparently) lack of, oh, 'diversity' in many wintery-type sporting activities.


Yeah, hockey is getting way too expensive for its own good. Hockey, too, suffers from overcoaching at the youth level, especially under Hockey Canada, where kids are taught that risk aversion is the most important aspect of the game. The NHL likes to talk a lot about "growing the game," but to them, that means adding rich kids in Raleigh rather than poor kids in Montreal.

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Yeah, hockey is getting way too expensive for its own good. Hockey, too, suffers from overcoaching at the youth level, especially under Hockey Canada, where kids are taught that risk aversion is the most important aspect of the game. The NHL likes to talk a lot about "growing the game," but to them, that means adding rich kids in Raleigh rather than poor kids in Montreal.


Almost every hockey player says what made them great was being able to take risks. Weird they'd teach the opposite but I suppose that keeps people in programs and spending money. Too many clubs, at too early of an age, and the season never ends. I really hate what sports have become.


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I've heard a similar posit suggesting that's the reason for a significant (apparently) lack of, oh, 'diversity' in many wintery-type sporting activities.


Yeah, hockey is getting way too expensive for its own good. Hockey, too, suffers from overcoaching at the youth level, especially under Hockey Canada, where kids are taught that risk aversion is the most important aspect of the game. The NHL likes to talk a lot about "growing the game," but to them, that means adding rich kids in Raleigh rather than poor kids in Montreal.

At what age level do they teach them how to rape?

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watching some 85 bears today while killing time at work...its not even the same game anymore. I hate this namby pamby arena league its turned into.


Pro football was a much better game 40 years ago. No doubt about it.


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At what age level do they teach them how to rape?


For every 50 of your funny comments that you type 1 is funny. Spare us all next time. Just go with the 1 and don't bother with the other 49.


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Almost every hockey player says what made them great was being able to take risks. Weird they'd teach the opposite but I suppose that keeps people in programs and spending money. Too many clubs, at too early of an age, and the season never ends. I really hate what sports have become.


If I haven't already, allow me to direct you to Igor Larionov's damning assessment of North American hockey: http://www.theplayerstribune.com/miracl ... ey-russia/

Everything is about structure and systems now. Dump and chase, north-south, and short shifts. We talk about the trap and obstruction all the time, but there's not nearly enough attention paid to what damage the short-shift game has done to the league. Keenan innovated it sometime in the '80s to level the playing field against run-and-gunners like the Oilers and Flames, but it's been perfected across the league now (though if you ask me, Tippett is the worst perpetrator). Some of the prettiest plays in hockey come from the best athletes exploiting fatigued opposition, but what do you do when the opposition is never so fatigued because they're only on the ice for 35 seconds at a time? Catch them in a change, I guess, but that's why they dump and chase, and we've come full circle.

One of the reasons I will continue to like Ovechkin while most people hate him is that he'll still go out there and play a minute-plus shift at even strength, and possibly stay out for a full power play. Whatever you think of his sportsmanship or defense or whatever, you have to be glad that a superstar is actually spending substantial time on the ice in this era.

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At what age level do they teach them how to rape?


For every 50 of your funny comments that you type 1 is funny. Spare us all next time. Just go with the 1 and don't bother with the other 49.

I'm not the one who called all hockey players rapists, that was your boy, Curious Hair. I was merely asking him to share his wisdom on the subject. I wasn't addressing you.

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I'd say they learn around 17, 16 if they're exceptional.

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I'm not the one who called all hockey players rapists, that was your boy, Curious Hair. I was merely asking him to share his wisdom on the subject. I wasn't addressing you.


Okay, I'll wait for you to address me next time.


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I've heard a similar posit suggesting that's the reason for a significant (apparently) lack of, oh, 'diversity' in many wintery-type sporting activities.


Yeah, hockey is getting way too expensive for its own good. Hockey, too, suffers from overcoaching at the youth level, especially under Hockey Canada, where kids are taught that risk aversion is the most important aspect of the game. The NHL likes to talk a lot about "growing the game," but to them, that means adding rich kids in Raleigh rather than poor kids in Montreal.

At what age level do they teach them how to rape?

When did Kobe and DRose learn? What age do the fine folks in the NFL teach their players?


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Curious Hair wrote:

If I haven't already, allow me to direct you to Igor Larionov's damning assessment of North American hockey: http://www.theplayerstribune.com/miracl ... ey-russia/

Everything is about structure and systems now. Dump and chase, north-south, and short shifts. We talk about the trap and obstruction all the time, but there's not nearly enough attention paid to what damage the short-shift game has done to the league. Keenan innovated it sometime in the '80s to level the playing field against run-and-gunners like the Oilers and Flames, but it's been perfected across the league now (though if you ask me, Tippett is the worst perpetrator). Some of the prettiest plays in hockey come from the best athletes exploiting fatigued opposition, but what do you do when the opposition is never so fatigued because they're only on the ice for 35 seconds at a time? Catch them in a change, I guess, but that's why they dump and chase, and we've come full circle.

One of the reasons I will continue to like Ovechkin while most people hate him is that he'll still go out there and play a minute-plus shift at even strength, and possibly stay out for a full power play. Whatever you think of his sportsmanship or defense or whatever, you have to be glad that a superstar is actually spending substantial time on the ice in this era.


Interesting. Where do you think that comes from? I kinda feel like it's a product of the win now mentality the clubs have. My husband had some insightful conversations with one of the assistant coaches of my son's team last year. It's a hard sport to navigate but I think all sports are like that now. Short shifts make sense to help neutralize the really great players.

Not a fan of Ovechkin.


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At what age level do they teach them how to rape?


For every 50 of your funny comments that you type 1 is funny. Spare us all next time. Just go with the 1 and don't bother with the other 49.

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