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I don't think there's a chance in hell he accepts the QO.


Who's going to be willing to give up a draft pick and sign him to what he thinks he's worth? I think Matt Garza and Michael Bourne have scared teams away from that approach.

Then again, it only takes one dumb front office and Shark is in business.


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Every year there have been and will be teams that do dumb things when it comes to free agent pitching.

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Matches Malone wrote:
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I don't think there's a chance in hell he accepts the QO.


Who's going to be willing to give up a draft pick and sign him to what he thinks he's worth? I think Matt Garza and Michael Bourne have scared teams away from that approach.

Then again, it only takes one dumb front office and Shark is in business.


Blue Jays, for one.

This off season is going to see some jaw dropping contracts for pitchers. Shark will look like a bargain to someone.

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Arizona is another likely landing spot. Someone will give him a long term deal based on his durability and the hope he finally starts pitching for the name on the front of his jersey rather than the name on the back of his jersey.


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Arizona is another likely landing spot. Someone will give him a long term deal based on his durability and the hope he finally starts pitching for the name on the front of his jersey rather than the name on the back of his jersey.


It's likely that someone will overpay for him, but you never know. Teams are finally realizing that cheap, controllable guys are better assets. For example, the Cubs quite likely can sign Price, and maybe they will. But if they do, there will come a time when they are choking on an underperforming Lester and Price at the same time. It will make all the complaints about Alfonso Soriano seem like a picnic. If the best offer Samardzija gets is similar to the one he is rumored to have gotten from the Cubs, maybe he rolls the dice for a year and hopes he can pitch better and break the bank in 2017.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Arizona is another likely landing spot. Someone will give him a long term deal based on his durability and the hope he finally starts pitching for the name on the front of his jersey rather than the name on the back of his jersey.


It's likely that someone will overpay for him, but you never know. Teams are finally realizing that cheap, controllable guys are better assets. For example, the Cubs quite likely can sign Price, and maybe they will. But if they do, there will come a time when they are choking on an underperforming Lester and Price at the same time. It will make all the complaints about Alfonso Soriano seem like a picnic. If the best offer Samardzija gets is similar to the one he is rumored to have gotten from the Cubs, maybe he rolls the dice for a year and hopes he can pitch better and break the bank in 2017.


He doesn't get the benefit of shopping himself.

The Sox get first dibs by making the QO and I think he has to accept/reject in something like 24 hours.

That Cubs scenario is going to be even worse as they will have to throw down big for Arrietta, who is similarly entering his 30s next season and will require Cy Young level money/years within 2 years. Cubs will be throwing down $70 million per year for three pitchers in the very near future.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Arizona is another likely landing spot. Someone will give him a long term deal based on his durability and the hope he finally starts pitching for the name on the front of his jersey rather than the name on the back of his jersey.


It's likely that someone will overpay for him, but you never know. Teams are finally realizing that cheap, controllable guys are better assets. For example, the Cubs quite likely can sign Price, and maybe they will. But if they do, there will come a time when they are choking on an underperforming Lester and Price at the same time. It will make all the complaints about Alfonso Soriano seem like a picnic. If the best offer Samardzija gets is similar to the one he is rumored to have gotten from the Cubs, maybe he rolls the dice for a year and hopes he can pitch better and break the bank in 2017.


He doesn't get the benefit of shopping himself.

The Sox get first dibs by making the QO and I think he has to accept/reject in something like 24 hours.

That Cubs scenario is going to be even worse as they will have to throw down big for Arrietta, who is similarly entering his 30s next season and will require Cy Young level money/years within 2 years. Cubs will be throwing down $70 million per year for three pitchers in the very near future.

they'll worry about it after the 3rd world series parade is finished.


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Matches Malone wrote:
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I don't think there's a chance in hell he accepts the QO.


Who's going to be willing to give up a draft pick and sign him to what he thinks he's worth? I think Matt Garza and Michael Bourne have scared teams away from that approach.

Then again, it only takes one dumb front office and Shark is in business.


Agreed. There's always one GM who will freak out and work against themselves. The the whole apple cart is I'm the ditch.

If the White Sox could get him cheap, I'd bite for a 4-5th starter, tilting towards a 5th.

No more. Don't waste the money. Get another bat, high OBP guy and maybe a catcher ifnyou don't believe in Soto.


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i think at this point having a turd-o-meter measure SHARK samardzija is pretty much pointless. at this juncture i think if you look closely at the turd-o-meter you'll see that its unit of measurement is actually "samardzijas"

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He doesn't get the benefit of shopping himself.



Right, but that's what his agent is for. He should be able to gauge the market.

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I just took a five-samardzija shit.

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i think at this point having a turd-o-meter measure SHARK samardzija is pretty much pointless. at this juncture i think if you look closely at the turd-o-meter you'll see that its unit of measurement is actually "samardzijas"



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I just took a five-samardzija shit.



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good dolphin wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
Arizona is another likely landing spot. Someone will give him a long term deal based on his durability and the hope he finally starts pitching for the name on the front of his jersey rather than the name on the back of his jersey.


It's likely that someone will overpay for him, but you never know. Teams are finally realizing that cheap, controllable guys are better assets. For example, the Cubs quite likely can sign Price, and maybe they will. But if they do, there will come a time when they are choking on an underperforming Lester and Price at the same time. It will make all the complaints about Alfonso Soriano seem like a picnic. If the best offer Samardzija gets is similar to the one he is rumored to have gotten from the Cubs, maybe he rolls the dice for a year and hopes he can pitch better and break the bank in 2017.


He doesn't get the benefit of shopping himself.

The Sox get first dibs by making the QO and I think he has to accept/reject in something like 24 hours.

That Cubs scenario is going to be even worse as they will have to throw down big for Arrietta, who is similarly entering his 30s next season and will require Cy Young level money/years within 2 years. Cubs will be throwing down $70 million per year for three pitchers in the very near future.


Yeah, it really sucks having to pay for good pitchers when you could just go cheap and sign players like Shark. :roll:


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Juiced wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
Arizona is another likely landing spot. Someone will give him a long term deal based on his durability and the hope he finally starts pitching for the name on the front of his jersey rather than the name on the back of his jersey.


It's likely that someone will overpay for him, but you never know. Teams are finally realizing that cheap, controllable guys are better assets. For example, the Cubs quite likely can sign Price, and maybe they will. But if they do, there will come a time when they are choking on an underperforming Lester and Price at the same time. It will make all the complaints about Alfonso Soriano seem like a picnic. If the best offer Samardzija gets is similar to the one he is rumored to have gotten from the Cubs, maybe he rolls the dice for a year and hopes he can pitch better and break the bank in 2017.


He doesn't get the benefit of shopping himself.

The Sox get first dibs by making the QO and I think he has to accept/reject in something like 24 hours.

That Cubs scenario is going to be even worse as they will have to throw down big for Arrietta, who is similarly entering his 30s next season and will require Cy Young level money/years within 2 years. Cubs will be throwing down $70 million per year for three pitchers in the very near future.


Yeah, it really sucks having to pay for good pitchers when you could just go cheap and sign players like Shark. :roll:


You threw down 155 million on a #2 starter

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Arizona is another likely landing spot. Someone will give him a long term deal based on his durability and the hope he finally starts pitching for the name on the front of his jersey rather than the name on the back of his jersey.


It's likely that someone will overpay for him, but you never know. Teams are finally realizing that cheap, controllable guys are better assets. For example, the Cubs quite likely can sign Price, and maybe they will. But if they do, there will come a time when they are choking on an underperforming Lester and Price at the same time. It will make all the complaints about Alfonso Soriano seem like a picnic. If the best offer Samardzija gets is similar to the one he is rumored to have gotten from the Cubs, maybe he rolls the dice for a year and hopes he can pitch better and break the bank in 2017.

If the Cubs offer was 5 for 75 or thereabouts I don't think theres a chance in hell he sees that offer. He'll be lucky to get 3 years somewhere, maybe 12 a year.

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I think he'll get 4 years @ 15 per. Maybe a little more.


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I think he'll get 4 years @ 15 per. Maybe a little more.


What's the going rate of your average bottom of the rotation starter?


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I think he'll get 4 years @ 15 per. Maybe a little more.


If that's really the case though, and his agent has his finger in the air checking the wind and has a good idea that that's about where the market for him is going to be, don't you think he's better off taking the $16 million qualifier and trying to put together a good season for a bigger payday the next year?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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I think he'll get 4 years @ 15 per. Maybe a little more.


If that's really the case though, and his agent has his finger in the air checking the wind and has a good idea that that's about where the market for him is going to be, don't you think he's better off taking the $16 million qualifier and trying to put together a good season for a bigger payday the next year?

Absolutely that what he'll do. Only thing is he's going to be on the downside of 30 and hasn't had that "breakout" year ( not that this fucking loser ever will) . At 30 years old 50 million or so doesn't sound too bad if he can get that. Instead of gambling on another year where he might actually be a .500 4ERA pitcher without getting hurt and hope he can parlay that into the 100 million contract ( at age 31 mind you without ever having a great year) he seems to think he deserves.

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I don't think so. Even if they think he's the most durable pitcher in the league it's still a huge risk for a pitcher to be on a 1 year deal. Take the money now and if he stays healthy for the duration of the contract he'll get another multi-year deal at 34.


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I don't think so. Even if they think he's the most durable pitcher in the league it's still a huge risk for a pitcher to be on a 1 year deal. Take the money now and if he stays healthy for the duration of the contract he'll get another multi-year deal at 34.

At this point he's a less accomplished EJax and everyone saw how the Cubs jobbed themselves on that one. He's just an innings eating number 4 at this point in his career. Whats the rate for that.

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depends if he believes his arm is going or the loss of velocity is mechanical.

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i love the concept of a guy who sucks with a ~4.5 ERA being an "innings eater"

he pitches a lot of innings ! but happens to give up a shit ton of runs at the same time !


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i love the concept of a guy who sucks with a ~4.5 ERA being an "innings eater"

he pitches a lot of innings ! but happens to give up a shit ton of runs at the same time !



Not to Jorr/IMU this but is this where ERA is not a good barometer. I have heard/read (no metrics that I have) that shark gives up a huge inning then settles in. If true, then he is eating up innings while his team comes back.

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If true, then he is eating up innings while his team comes back.


:lol: oh that's much better


just saying "innings eater" = we don't have anyone else to throw out there, so even if you suck just be sure to get us through 8
if you're basically conceding a loss, why not at least throw a prospect out there, an unknown..maybe someone who isn't making 15 mil to suck


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i love the concept of a guy who sucks with a ~4.5 ERA being an "innings eater"

he pitches a lot of innings ! but happens to give up a shit ton of runs at the same time !

Hey I agree but obviously there a market for that kind of pitcher. Its specifically why the Cubs signed Jackson to what they did.

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If true, then he is eating up innings while his team comes back.


:lol: oh that's much better


just saying "innings eater" = we don't have anyone else to throw out there, so even if you suck just be sure to get us through 8
if you're basically conceding a loss, why not at least throw a prospect out there, an unknown..maybe someone who isn't making 15 mil to suck


Hey I do not want Shark but that is what an innings eater is. I remember that used to be used for a 5th starter or long reliever.

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I am starting to think Badrogue is the fairest baseball guy on here.


You probably just starting drinking early this weekend. :)

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