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IMU

Post subject: Re: STARLIN

Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 6:50 pm

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And how many games did it cost the Cubs over 6 years? One, two tops? Most of his bonehead actions were laughable...not costly. Same as today.

And even the best middle infielders make errors. I'm not claiming he is one of the best...but you could have had worse since 2010.

Regardless...I was referencing his hitting. The dude is a professional MLB hitter. Proven track record of success over the course of many seasons.

And he still only 25.

Look - irrationally hate on any Cubs player you want. Castro, Baez, Arrieta, Bryant, Rizzo - I don't care what you think. I'm not trying to change your mind....I'm just going to counter it with logical points and hope that the less stubborn posters and guests realize how crazy you, and others, sometimes are.

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Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 7:13 pm

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only SS rated lower in WAR than Ramirez

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Post subject: Re: STARLIN

Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 8:05 pm

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Hatchetman wrote:

only SS rated lower in WAR than Ramirez

We've covered this. Bad season.

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Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 8:20 pm

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Similar to Russell, Castro has been hitting the ball with more authority of late. I think during the time out of the lineup, he has focused on loading more and driving the ball and the results are encouraging. I still don't see him with the team in 2016, just because they have so many other good options and they all make much less money. But this resurgence may well result in renewed interest from other teams in Castro. In the here and now, it's nice to see the good contributions once again.

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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 3:25 pm

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Fuck haterzzzzz

Since August 23rd

.379/.397/.636 for a 1.033 OPS

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Post subject: Re: STARLIN

Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 3:45 pm

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IMU wrote:

Fuck haterzzzzz

Since August 23rd

.379/.397/.636 for a 1.033 OPS

Nevermind. I don't feel like recalculating. OPS is probably around 3.000 now.

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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 3:46 pm

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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 3:51 pm

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Cubs might actually get something for him in the offseason if he keeps this up.

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Post subject: Re: STARLIN

Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 3:51 pm

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I still don't like him as his propensity for mental lapses will hurt the team often but I will say he handled his benching like a pro and really lit a fire. Thats how you come back from adversity, STFU, work hard, produce when you have the chance.

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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 3:58 pm

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Cubs should keep him based on his performance since being benched...unless they can get someone great in return.

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Post subject: Re: STARLIN

Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 3:59 pm

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Scorehead wrote:

Cubs should keep him based on his performance since being benched...unless they can get someone great in return.

He's a pretty expensive bench player.

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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 4:04 pm

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Big Chicagoan wrote:

Scorehead wrote:

Cubs should keep him based on his performance since being benched...unless they can get someone great in return.

He's a pretty expensive bench player.

Who gives a fuck about the future. He's helping them win right now. 2015

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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 10:21 pm

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Big Chicagoan wrote:

Cubs might actually get something for him in the offseason if he keeps this up.

He has incredible value NOW. Playing right into a big hand if they so choose to deal him. Bet they do not now. See what is offered.

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Elmhurst Steve

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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 10:33 pm

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I have to believe there are at least a couple teams that wish they had put in a claim on Starlin right about now. He's looking rejuvenated and driving the ball again, rather than just slapping the ball around on the ground.

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Post subject: Re: STARLIN

Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 10:35 pm

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

I dont know what were arguing about then. I've never said projections are gospel. You asked why someone would think Russell is better and I answered.

Right, but it's really just parroting something someone else said. I'm sure there's some scout somewhere that has a strong belief in Tyler Saladino. If I read a blog post by that guy, I might be saying the shit Steve is saying about Russell about Saladino. I just don't put stock in it.

But the overwhelming majority do like Russell. Its not just one guy's opinion.

As I said, consensus is meaningful, but still not that meaningful. (Danny Goodwin number 1 two times.) We don't know if Russell is any good. We know guys who get paid to be "experts" think he will be. He's supposed to be good. Whether he actually is will be decided on the field. Now that he's playing in the big leagues we no longer need to rely on what anyone else says. Castro has shown you he can be good over long stretches. To me, that's more meaningful than projections.

It's really no different than horse racing. The horse that costs $350,000 is supposed to be better than the one that costs $10,000. That often isn't the case when they hit the racetrack.

The first time I care enough to debate whether the Sox starting shortstop is better than the backup, please put a bullet in my head.

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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 9:32 pm

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So good.

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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 11:02 pm

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Package him in a deal for a quality starter from a team needing to dump salary. He's owed 40M through 2019 so find a SP owed 60M+ and make a deal.

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Post subject: Re: STARLIN

Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 7:32 am

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cpguy wrote:

Package him in a deal for a quality starter from a team needing to dump salary. He's owed 40M through 2019 so find a SP owed 60M+ and make a deal.

A QUALITY starter yes! That would be ideal. Not many teams looking to unload quality starters, but a team looking to rebuild like say......the White Sox (who might also like a new SS) might deal a guy like Quintana in such a deal.

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Post subject: Re: STARLIN

Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 8:29 am

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Man are you dumb. Sure the Sox would like a new SS, but it won't be Castro. Alexei is better than him at this point

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Post subject: Re: STARLIN

Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 8:32 am

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Frank Coztansa wrote:

Man are you dumb. Sure the Sox would like a new SS, but it won't be Castro. Alexei is better than him at this point

Ummm, what?

Overall Season stats are in Castro's favor, and by a very very large degree in the last two months. You really don't pay attention to baseball outside of US Cellular, do you?

Starlin has maintained an OPS over 1.000 since early August. His last 28 days is 1.149.

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Post subject: Re: STARLIN

Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 9:33 am

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He's had a good september....as a part time player in a new position. That doesn't mean he has had a good season. Alexei has not had a great season either and i know you have a boner for Starlin, but Alexei > Castro

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Post subject: Re: STARLIN

Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 9:35 am

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Frank Coztansa wrote:

Except stats say Castro > Alexei. And I like stats.

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Post subject: Re: STARLIN

Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 9:55 am

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Frank Coztansa wrote:

Alexei > Castro

What are you basing that on?

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Post subject: Re: STARLIN

Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 11:32 am

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rogers park bryan wrote:

Frank Coztansa wrote:

Alexei > Castro

What are you basing that on?

Cicero math?

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Post subject: Re: STARLIN

Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 3:35 pm

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Matches Malone wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Frank Coztansa wrote:

Alexei > Castro

What are you basing that on?

Cicero math?

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Post subject: Re: STARLIN

Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 3:38 pm

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I like Frank. I like Frank's predictability.

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Post subject: Re: STARLIN

Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 3:41 pm

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IMU wrote:

I like Frank. I like Frank's predictability.

What about the milkman, the paperboy, and the evening TV?

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Post subject: Re: STARLIN

Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 3:56 pm

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Oh god.

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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:37 pm

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Yeah bruh.

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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:39 pm

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Great 2nd basemen or greatest 2nd basemen?

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