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PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 11:30 pm 
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Castro n Schwarber for Robertson n Quintana


Quintana is a #3 or 4 starter. You don't trade a Schwarber in a deal that doesn't include a top of the rotation starter. Make it Sale and Robertson and you have my attention. Robertson is overpaid, but still would be a slight upgrade over Rondon and make the bullpen that much stronger through greater depth.[/quote


Quintana is a 3 in the A.L. that makes him a 2 in the N.L. n Robertson would be our best arm in the pen. Its a no brainer for the Cubs to make that deal.

Just curious. What do you expect Schwarber to play defensively?


On the Cubs he would definitely follow Arrita and Lester. On any good team, he's a #3 at best.

I think outfield if he stays with the Cubs. With another team could have been first base too. I don't like him behind the plate. But I didn't like Soriano as an outfielder and after a few seasons, he improved to the point of adequacy. If Schwarber can just be average defensively at Catcher, that would be fine. But I don't think that's likely. He's a very good athlete and has surprising speed for a guy his size. Let him play LF and rake!

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We are talking about Robertson like he is Rivera or Sutter in his prime. Good closer, not worth giving up a lf prospect who can drop 30 hrs. Put me in stathead camp that believes paying big bucks to closers is a waste of money.


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Oh really? You would not want a (for the most part) lockdown guy like Robertson in the Cubbies pen?

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Oh really? You would not want a (for the most part) lockdown guy like Robertson in the Cubbies pen?

Not for 3 more years at $11.5M and whatever players the White Sox would demand. No one wants that.


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how many blown saves that bitch have?

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Oh really? You would not want a (for the most part) lockdown guy like Robertson in the Cubbies pen?


Rondon 28 out of 32 in save situations, Mariano Robertson 29 out of 35.


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It's pretty funny to see a guy that a lot of Cubs fans hate suddenly become good when they compare him to a White Sox player.

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Its also funny to see Cubs fans calling him "Mariano Robertson"-- something which NO Sox fan has ever implied --after some of them have already started building the Cubs Prospect Wing at Cooperstown.

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 Post subject: Re: Sox game thread
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ChicagoEd wrote:
We are talking about Robertson like he is Rivera or Sutter in his prime.


ChitownEddie says it in jest (see the word LIKE)

and you take issue and then refer to Robertson as a "lockdown guy"

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Oh really? You would not want a (for the most part) lockdown guy like Robertson in the Cubbies pen?



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 Post subject: Re: Sox game thread
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You know as well as I do that there are quite a few Cubs fans who post here that do not say anything in jest...especially about the White Sox.

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 Post subject: Re: Sox game thread
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it'd be so Sox to finish 11th thereby requiring them to forfeit their 1st rounder if they sign a QO guy.

maybe that's good thing? no more terrible free agent signings like robertson


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^ like a moth to a flame...
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You know as well as I do that there are quite a few Cubs fans who post here that do not say anything in jest...especially about the White Sox.

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 Post subject: Re: Sox game thread
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Kirkwood wrote:
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Oh really? You would not want a (for the most part) lockdown guy like Robertson in the Cubbies pen?

Not for 3 more years at $11.5M and whatever players the White Sox would demand. No one wants that.


Except for the Yankees and Blue Jays just a few short weeks ago. Most likely a host of other teams in the off season as well.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Its also funny to see Cubs fans calling him "Mariano Robertson"-- something which NO Sox fan has ever implied --after some of them have already started building the Cubs Prospect Wing at Cooperstown.

Not sure there will be room with all the Gordon Beckham gear that will be on display.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
^ like a moth to a flame...
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You know as well as I do that there are quite a few Cubs fans who post here that do not say anything in jest...especially about the White Sox.

frank, your crybaby bitch attitude regarding valid criticism of the white sox needs to be toned down.

robertson was a terrible signing. everyone without sox shades knew it the minute it was announced.

rebuilding teams do not need a $11.5M 30 year old closer. he's a "final piece' signing for a team.


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 Post subject: Re: Sox game thread
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All of this is in jest. And IMU is the most objectionable baseball poster on the board.

Whatever you Cubs fans are drinking, pass some this way.

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Kirkwood wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
^ like a moth to a flame...
Frank Coztansa wrote:
You know as well as I do that there are quite a few Cubs fans who post here that do not say anything in jest...especially about the White Sox.

frank, your crybaby bitch attitude regarding valid criticism of the white sox needs to be toned down.

robertson was a terrible signing. everyone without sox shades knew it the minute it was announced.

rebuilding teams do not need a $11.5M 30 year old closer. he's a "final piece' signing for a team.
Didn't some team put a waiver claim on him?

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 Post subject: Re: Sox game thread
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
All of this is in jest.

Not even jest. ChicagoEd literally said the word like. As if to say "Let's not make Robertson out to be Rivera" and he was talking to another Cub fan.


Dont pretend you dont understand.


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
^ like a moth to a flame...
Frank Coztansa wrote:
You know as well as I do that there are quite a few Cubs fans who post here that do not say anything in jest...especially about the White Sox.

frank, your crybaby bitch attitude regarding valid criticism of the white sox needs to be toned down.

robertson was a terrible signing. everyone without sox shades knew it the minute it was announced.

rebuilding teams do not need a $11.5M 30 year old closer. he's a "final piece' signing for a team.
Didn't some team put a waiver claim on him?

yes, it was a "block". the yankees had no intention of acquiring him.


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yes, it was a "block". the yankees had no intention of acquiring him.
Why block him if no one wants him?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
^ like a moth to a flame...
Frank Coztansa wrote:
You know as well as I do that there are quite a few Cubs fans who post here that do not say anything in jest...especially about the White Sox.

frank, your crybaby bitch attitude regarding valid criticism of the white sox needs to be toned down.

robertson was a terrible signing. everyone without sox shades knew it the minute it was announced.

rebuilding teams do not need a $11.5M 30 year old closer. he's a "final piece' signing for a team.
Didn't some team put a waiver claim on him?


Yes. As I wrote earlier, the Yankees put a claim on him to block the Blue Jays from putting a claim on him, so there are at least two teams who didn't have a problem with his contract or production.

It isn't a terrible signing because the Sox could trade him for talent immediately if they so chose or they could give his contract to another team. There has been no downside to that signing so far.

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[yes, it was a "block". the yankees had no intention of acquiring him.


They were obviously prepared to take on the value of the contract.

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All of this is in jest. And IMU is the most objectionable baseball poster on the board.

Whatever you Cubs fans are drinking, pass some this way.

In a month and a half, champagne.

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There has been no downside to that signing so far.

Except, ya know, the pitching...


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There has been no downside to that signing so far.

Except, ya know, the pitching...


Robertson has been fine. I have no problem with his work.

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In a month and a half, champagne.
You're planning on having some Mimosa's somewhere? You certainly will not be celebrating a Cubs playoff series victory.

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good dolphin wrote:
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There has been no downside to that signing so far.

Except, ya know, the pitching...


Robertson has been fine. I have no problem with his work.

My mistake


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In a month and a half, champagne.
You're planning on having some Mimosa's somewhere? You certainly will not be celebrating a Cubs playoff series victory.


PittMike and I are planning on beer, lots of it. One of us will be happy after the one game playoff, and the other will need to be heavily medicated.

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Rondon making 544000 this year. Robertson will be making 13 million in 2018 when he is 33. Bad signing but Hahn won the offseason.


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Yes. As I wrote earlier, the Yankees put a claim on him to block the Blue Jays from putting a claim on him, so there are at least two teams who didn't have a problem with his contract or production.

It isn't a terrible signing because the Sox could trade him for talent immediately if they so chose or they could give his contract to another team. There has been no downside to that signing so far.

incorrect.

the opportunity cost of not having $11.5M to spend was the downside with the signing. add the duke signing and that's $16M/yr that could've been better allocated to upgrade everyday players.

also delusional to think anything but floatsam will come back in a trade for robertson.


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