And banging the drums for more wars in the Middle East.

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Not one of them sounded like a serious person. Bush and Trump were going after each other like two kids on a playground. Even the brain surgeon managed to sound like a dope.

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They talked about Global Warming and Income Inequality. You just don't like their approach to the problems. When I watch the Democratic debates, I won't like any of their solutions. It's ok. Like it or not, the Republicans have a political base, and these folks represent different parts of the party. I'd be worried if we all thought the same way. Maybe you think there is one right way of thinking. For my part, I appreciate different ideas to solve problems even though I disagree with many of those ideas.

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I would say it was paying lip service, not seriously talking about it. Most of them deny that these issues are problems.

They are way more focused on the gays, PP, Mexicans, and starting wars with Iran and Russia.

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At some point, Trump is going to have to say something other than, "I'm terrific, and my opponents are stupid".

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True, but would you agree that a large part of that base has minimal education? I believe the numbers show that most Trump supporters are white males with no more than a high school education. And he's leading in the polls among Republican voters.

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Dan Bernstein ‏@dan_bernstein 13h13 hours ago
Trump has been powered by uneducated whites, and could be losing them tonight. He can't sustain being a populist and an essential elitist.
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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Republicans truly believe that you need to create a bigger pie and use education and training to lift people out of minimum wage jobs. The left focuses on pushing up the floor, while the Republicans seek to raise the ceiling. They talked at length about ways to grow the economy.


Global Warming is a trickier issue because it is a slow moving crisis with a lot of propaganda on both sides. Plus the solutions are extremely costly with unknown benefits. I'd like to think that science and the free markets will come up with solutions that will reduce pollution and carbon emissions. Unfortunately, the government is going to have to have a role which means things like market distorting subsidies and costly regulation. I don't have a preferred solution for the problem. Christie talked about things that has been done and are going on in NJ.

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It certainly seems that way. As it should be, their voice counts equally in voting terms. They have legitimate concerns as that group has been left behind by globalization. Low skilled workers have been hurt by the transition in our economy. It is the big reason why I advocate high education standards and development of technical track education. As a country we need to make a high school diploma mean something, i.e. folks graduate with sufficient math and reading skills. We also need to identify career paths for folks that aren't going to college- the trades, welders, mechanics, or whatever.

There are a lot of fears in our society. Whether it's the Black Lives Matter crowd or Christians, people are worried about the country. Politicians are just reacting to that.

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Sure it does, but do we really want to celebrate the dumbest among us selecting our leaders? To me, the word "liberal" means open minded, willing to learn. "Conservative" just means "that's the way it's always been done". Of course white men who have always been on top are afraid when they see the number of brown and black people increasing. The fact that some of those brown and black people might even have the temerity to speak their minds is truly outrageous to many Republicans. If you turn Fox on at any given moment you have a good chance of hearing Bill O'Reilly or someone else railing about people becoming educated at university.

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Yes, its not that nothing they could have said would please people its that nothing they would ever say.

Im open to different types of solutions. This whole GOP primary thing is a fucking clown show, Denis. I dont see how any reasonable person could disagree.

Its 50% about Trump and 50% about being as anti Obama as they can be. Almost none of them can be taken seriously.

What new ideas did you hear last night that you liked?

Politics attracts clowns. Dems are no better. Hillary, Sanders, O'Malley, then mix in a Biden and maybe Jerry Brown. Equally bad.

Im not saying Democrats are much better. Although, (Clinton and Sanders are not crazy) But this GOP cycle is beyond ridiculous

My preference has changed a few times. After last night here is where I am at:

1. Marco
2. Carson
3. Kasich


I am a longtime Marco guy & he has done very well in both debates. I'm surprised that he doesnt poll better.

I really like Ben Carson. He is the most likable & believable of all of the candidates...& he supports a version of the flat tax that he calls fair tax.

Kasich has a nerve problem or something. My God he cant stand still & twitches & squirms constantly. But I like nearly everything that he says.

Both Marco & Carson's life stories are inspiring & I never tire of hearing or reading about them. I would love to see this as the ticket.

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Berns calling someone else an elitist is compelling & rich. WYC?

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Do you believe in Evolution, SH?

Close your eyes and listen to Rubio speak.
He sounds exactly like young Michael Corleone (Al Pacino) in The Godfather.

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Are you saying that uneducated white men have "always been on top?"

That idea seems problematic.

Uneducated white men began to vote increasingly for Republicans in the 80s and 90s when the Democrats adopted a neoliberal economic agenda and thereby betrayed their blue collar constituency. Because both parties failed to serve working class economic interests, cultural politics--abortion, gay rights, affirmative action, etc--replaced economic policy as the main factor in determining political allegiance for this voting bloc.

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truly takes one to know one, and he'd agree with that assessment.

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Do you believe in Evolution, SH?[/quote]

It seems logical to me that this is how Man came about.[/quote]
It troubles me that Carson thinks it's a myth

I am not sure there is much in the realm of new in the political arena. Here is what I liked.

1) I appreciated Kasich's approach to the Iran Agreement. He is willing to give it a chance and only reimpose sanctions if they violated the treaty.
2) I thought Ran Paul was spot on with the 10th Amendment and State's Rights including drug legalization.
3) There are several tax plans on the table to either move to a deduction less flat tax or a consumption based tax.
4) Several folks recognized a few problems in the immigration system. It was stated that 40% of the "illegal" problem is from folks overstaying visas. Clearly we need a new regime for folks coming legally but overstaying.
5) Christie advocated increased use of nuclear and solar as well as cap and trade schemes to reduce power plant pollution. He cited his own state as improving in that area.
6) Many folks agreed that we need to balance the budget and address the ever growing $18T debt problem. Social security fixes were mentioned by Christie.
7) I liked the debate about the role of the courts and the rule of law. Some argued for ignoring the courts, which of course we should not do. Others stood up and basically said issues like gay marriage are now settled law and we should move on. That was nice to see.
Most candidates agreed that we need a new approach to dealing with non violent offenders. That will reduce the amount of people in jail.
9) Everyone recognized our failed approach to ISIS and Syria. I lean toward the approach of having a strong military but rarely using it, meaning dialogue with our enemies while projecting power. I would not want boots on the ground, and lean toward candidates who take a cautious approach to such matters.
10) I do not like the government shutdown idea over "petty" matters. Some want to shut it down again, while others talked about being restrained and pragmatic about budget issues.

There's my top 10. I watch the entirety of both debates.

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Again with the flat tax. This idea has been dismantled here many times, and by virtually all economists. You really should stop.

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Can you read? Bernstein is talking about how Trump pretends to be a populist, when in reality, he is a one percenter.

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as a guy who has a lot of family and friends in the teacher's unions, it is increasingly becoming a tough sell with the non-improvements and massive testing foisted upon teachers who increasingly want to teach their curriculum without interruption. Despite the NEA's best efforts to get their constituents to vote a straight Democratic ticket, I think their pleas will fall on deafer and deafer ears.

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It seems logical to me that this is how Man came about.[/quote]
It troubles me that Carson thinks it's a myth[/quote]

As I have said before, I vote on economic issues. I don't rank a politicians religious thoughts very high on my priority list of issues. Lets face it, Carson's thoughts on evolution really don't matter or affect any of us. There have been many good presidents who didnt believe in evolution. It's a non issue for me.

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Yeah, no.

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