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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:32 am 
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Terry's Peeps wrote:
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We really don't want to get into a "religion vs religion" comparison do we?

The Bible advocates some pretty horrible shit.

Yes, Id like to get into it. One is way less dangerous. (and that is from a critic of Christianity)

If we were only talking about the Koran saying these things (like the Bible says horrible things) then you'd have a point. We're talking about actions here.

If stories of Christians hanging gays, stoning divorced people and executing non Christians (for being non Christian) then we'll have to address them too.


So you agree that it's the people, not the religion itself, that is evil.

A majority of Christians have "grown up" and realized not to take everything in the Bible literally.

Islam hasn't gotten to that point. At least not outside the Middle East.

That is a huge and deadly problem right now. So you can see why comparisons to the religions that have grown up are really irrelevant.

Unless the point is, give them a few centuries to stop killing people.


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atheism is evil. plenty of atheists doing bad stuff.

Everyone is evil.


People suck.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
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So you agree that it's the people, not the religion itself, that is evil.

A majority of Christians have "grown up" and realized not to take everything in the Bible literally.

Islam hasn't gotten to that point. At least not outside the Middle East.

That is a huge and deadly problem right now. So you can see why comparisons to the religions that have grown up are really irrelevant.

Unless the point is, give them a few centuries to stop killing people.


It's absolutely a problem.

I wasn't trying to compare religions. I was saying the religion isn't evil. The people using religion as an excuse to justify their actions are evil.

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Islam hasn't gotten to that point. At least not outside the Middle East.

Then they ought to catch the fuck up. We don't have 700 years for them to figure out that you can't subjugate women and defenestrate gay people.

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
sjboyd0137 wrote:
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atheism is evil. plenty of atheists doing bad stuff.

Everyone is evil.


People suck.


Yep

I'm amused my chas indicating that he was reserving the fact that he was saving the info on that author being a gay liberal so he could use that in his swerve later...I'm thinking Vince Russo is booking for him


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Laveyan Satanism isn't evil. It's dumb, like all religion, but not really evil.

I am talking hard care, Church of Process type shit.

Church Of Process wasn't Satanism.

There are two forms of Satanism. Laveyan and Theistic.


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What is Satanism anyway? What are they trying to accomplish? :lol:

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A majority of Christians have "grown up" and realized not to take everything in the Bible literally.

This is something that has always bugged me. If you don't take all the teachings literal, then why call yourself a Catholic or Christian? Why not just be a guy or girl who believes in God and an afterlife? When you still claim to be part of a religion when you really don't believe in the stuff, you are giving more credibility to the religion and the insane brainwashed people who actually do take all that stuff literally.


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Hockey Gay wrote:
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A majority of Christians have "grown up" and realized not to take everything in the Bible literally.

This is something that has always bugged me. If you don't take all the teachings literal, then why call yourself a Catholic or Christian? Why not just be a guy or girl who believes in God and an afterlife? When you still claim to be part of a religion when you really don't believe in the stuff, you are giving more credibility to the religion and the insane brainwashed people who actually do take all that stuff literally.


But see, what bugs me is when people say "I'm not religious, I'm just spiritual." You shouldn't need a purity test to identify as part of a group. There's room for liberal Congregationalists and tongue-speaking snake handlers to identify as Christians.

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What is Satanism anyway? What are they trying to accomplish? :lol:

Trying to get more people to salute our half inflated dark lord I think.

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What is Satanism anyway? What are they trying to accomplish? :lol:

I couldn't tell you alot about Theistic Satanism except that they really do believe that Satan is a real thing. There are so many organizations that it's impossible to keep track unless you give a shit. Some are peaceful, some aren't. It's all very dumb to me.

Laveyan Satanism is basically atheism with the Satanic imagery and their own set of guidelines. They believe in finding strength from within and taking responsibility for your own actions. They preach minding your own business and never harming another person unless they provoke you repeatedly after you already asked them to stop. If you ever lay a hand on a child or force yourself on a woman you are immediately booted from the Church. Their teachings are respectable but the whole thing is still too silly and dumb for me. Some of them are posers too as I've known a handful of Laveyan Satanists and only a couple of them actually practiced what they preach.

Laveyan Satanists roll their eyes at Theistic Satanists while Theistic Satanists think Laveyan Satanists are pussies.


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As for Muslims assimilating in Europe it has been a problem for a while particularly France. That is where all the trouble was talked about with them wanting their own areas and neighborhoods under Sharia law and so forth.


"No-go zones" was a lie created by FOX. It has been proven to be false over and over again. You really should feel shame for this terrible post.


......and 60 Minutes I guess.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/recruiting-for-isis-60-minutes/

.......Rumaysah and Choudary both live in east London, which is home to one of the largest Muslim populations in the U.K. In one part of town, Rumaysah and his associates have set up so called "Sharia patrols" to go out and discourage behavior that they deem un-Islamic.

On this night they stopped to talk to a couple of non-Muslim men who were in a park drinking beer, which is forbidden under Islam.

[Male voice: So we're just reminding anyway. Reminding the community about staying safe. And in this area there's a lot of gambling that goes on. A lot of alcohol drinking and it leads to a lot of problems. So we advise you and we advise anyone we see to stay away from these things.]

But the patrols are not always so friendly. Online clips give a very different picture.

A woman in a short skirt is abused. A man the patrol thinks is gay is insulted.......

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Hockey Gay wrote:
Hatchetman wrote:
What is Satanism anyway? What are they trying to accomplish? :lol:

I couldn't tell you alot about Theistic Satanism except that they really do believe that Satan is a real thing. There are so many organizations that it's impossible to keep track unless you give a shit. Some are peaceful, some aren't. It's all very dumb to me.

Laveyan Satanism is basically atheism with the Satanic imagery and their own set of guidelines. They believe in finding strength from within and taking responsibility for your own actions. They preach minding your own business and never harming another person unless they provoke you repeatedly after you already asked them to stop. If you ever lay a hand on a child or force yourself on a woman you are immediately booted from the Church. Their teachings are respectable but the whole thing is still too silly and dumb for me. Some of them are posers too as I've known a handful of Laveyan Satanisms and only a couple of them actually practiced what they preach.

Laveyan Satanists roll their eyes at Theistic Satanists while Theistic Satanists think Laveyan Satanists are pussies.

Which one has the orgies and stuff?

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Hockey Gay wrote:
Hatchetman wrote:
What is Satanism anyway? What are they trying to accomplish? :lol:

I couldn't tell you alot about Theistic Satanism except that they really do believe that Satan is a real thing. There are so many organizations that it's impossible to keep track unless you give a shit. Some are peaceful, some aren't. It's all very dumb to me.

Laveyan Satanism is basically atheism with the Satanic imagery and their own set of guidelines. They believe in finding strength from within and taking responsibility for your own actions. They preach minding your own business and never harming another person unless they provoke you repeatedly after you already asked them to stop. If you ever lay a hand on a child or force yourself on a woman you are immediately booted from the Church. Their teachings are respectable but the whole thing is still too silly and dumb for me. Some of them are posers too as I've known a handful of Laveyan Satanisms and only a couple of them actually practiced what they preach.

Laveyan Satanists roll their eyes at Theistic Satanists while Theistic Satanists think Laveyan Satanists are pussies.

Which one has the orgies and stuff?

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Laveyan Satanism has the orgies.

I've met one Theistic Satanist in my lifetime. Creepiest mother fucker I ever met.


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Thanks for the info. You learn something every day! :lol:

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That's one issue I have with the book Chas keeps referencing. The author suggests that America demands that her immigrants assimilate into our "melting pot". One walk down Devon Avenue and anyone will see how untrue that is.


I think mostly does. I don't know if that is a city vs suburb thing.


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That's one issue I have with the book Chas keeps referencing. The author suggests that America demands that her immigrants assimilate into our "melting pot". One walk down Devon Avenue and anyone will see how untrue that is.


I think mostly does. I don't know if that is a city vs suburb thing.


I don't know. Elmhurst certainly goes green on St. Patrick's Day, South Holland still has laws on the books that follow the Dutch Reformed practices, Elmwood Park doesn't exactly embrace diversity (tho in fairness, neither does Maywood :wink: ), Bridgeview may as well be Jordan & well Kenilworth, well...you know :wink:

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I don't know. Elmhurst certainly goes green on St. Patrick's Day, South Holland still has laws on the books that follow the Dutch Reformed practices, Elmwood Park doesn't exactly embrace diversity (tho in fairness, neither does Maywood :wink: ), Bridgeview may as well be Jordan & well Kenilworth, well...you know :wink:


They are all American though and accept Western values for the most part. In the city you have neighborhoods where people are of the same background and have some traditions they keep but most accept our laws and by the 2nd or 3rd generation are Americanized for lack of a better word even if they keep mostly to their neighborhood. All the people I know aren't really that different from me no matter what their background except for the Jehovah's witnesses and Middle Easterners. And it's not a bad thing necessarily (unless they do not follow the laws) but I think it makes things hard on their kids. I think most people that come here try to assimilate.


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Hockey Gay wrote:
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Laveyan Satanism isn't evil. It's dumb, like all religion, but not really evil.

I am talking hard care, Church of Process type shit.

Church Of Process wasn't Satanism.

There are two forms of Satanism. Laveyan and Theistic.


There was three Branches to it
Christian,Satian and Lucifierian. Alll was a sham as it was basically Devil worship.

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Spaulding wrote:
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That's one issue I have with the book Chas keeps referencing. The author suggests that America demands that her immigrants assimilate into our "melting pot". One walk down Devon Avenue and anyone will see how untrue that is.


I think mostly does. I don't know if that is a city vs suburb thing.


Second generation moves to the suburbs. The first generation immigrates to the city. Maybe if they do semi well they move to one of those type of suburbs IMU considers Valhalla.

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I don't know. Elmhurst certainly goes green on St. Patrick's Day, South Holland still has laws on the books that follow the Dutch Reformed practices, Elmwood Park doesn't exactly embrace diversity (tho in fairness, neither does Maywood :wink: ), Bridgeview may as well be Jordan & well Kenilworth, well...you know :wink:


They are all American though and accept Western values for the most part. In the city you have neighborhoods where people are of the same background and have some traditions they keep but most accept our laws and by the 2nd or 3rd generation are Americanized for lack of a better word even if they keep mostly to their neighborhood. All the people I know aren't really that different from me no matter what their background except for the Jehovah's witnesses and Middle Easterners. And it's not a bad thing necessarily (unless they do not follow the laws) but I think it makes things hard on their kids. I think most people that come here try to assimilate.


I think trying to assimilate was the goal of people in the early 1900s as you could live in an ethnic ghetto your entire life back. Now, it's not a matter of trying. No one but the most demented are going to choose lack of choice and options over more choice and options.

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I don't know. Elmhurst certainly goes green on St. Patrick's Day, South Holland still has laws on the books that follow the Dutch Reformed practices, Elmwood Park doesn't exactly embrace diversity (tho in fairness, neither does Maywood :wink: ), Bridgeview may as well be Jordan & well Kenilworth, well...you know :wink:


They are all American though and accept Western values for the most part. In the city you have neighborhoods where people are of the same background and have some traditions they keep but most accept our laws and by the 2nd or 3rd generation are Americanized for lack of a better word even if they keep mostly to their neighborhood. All the people I know aren't really that different from me no matter what their background except for the Jehovah's witnesses and Middle Easterners. And it's not a bad thing necessarily (unless they do not follow the laws) but I think it makes things hard on their kids. I think most people that come here try to assimilate.


I think trying to assimilate was the goal of people in the early 1900s as you could live in an ethnic ghetto your entire life back. Now, it's not a matter of trying. No one but the most demented are going to choose lack of choice and options over more choice and options.


It's hard to stop the American born children from becoming assimilated. Just this past weekend I was in St. Helena, CA and an Indian wedding party came into the bar I was at. An Indian girl about 25 sat down between me and three bros from Boston. The bros immediately began chatting her up. They started asking her trivia question. They asked which state capital is the only one without a McDonald's. I knew because I know a lot of shit. So I leaned over and told her, "It's Montpelier." The bros were impressed with her but she was impressed with me. I further surprised her by knowing her dress was called a salwar kameez. Suddenly she wasn't so interested in the bros and began focusing on this old man. She bought me a shot of Bourbon. But then an Indian dude from her party came over and started chiding her about hanging out with white boys. I'm sure he would love to marry her and both their parents would love that too. But no matter how you dress her for weddings she's an American girl and she's gonna do what she wants to do.

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I believe this is the way it has always gone according to people who study this.

1st generation: Very little assimilation. May never even learn English.
2nd generation: Still speak native language but they have other friends who help with the assimilation.
3rd generation: Pretty much fully assimilated. The only real connection is enough to keep the grandparents happy.

The issue is at least now that some groups, not just Muslims, do much more to be isolationist so it takes longer.

Ultimately though, as good dolphin said, the kids realize that being isolationist sucks and they break through. It may take an extra generation though.

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It's hard to stop the American born children from becoming assimilated. Just this past weekend I was in St. Helena, CA and an Indian wedding party came into the bar I was at. An Indian girl about 25 sat down between me and three bros from Boston. The bros immediately began chatting her up. They started asking her trivia question. They asked which state capital is the only one without a McDonald's. I knew because I know a lot of shit. So I leaned over and told her, "It's Montpelier." The bros were impressed with her but she was impressed with me. I further surprised her by knowing her dress was called a salwar kameez. Suddenly she wasn't so interested in the bros and began focusing on this old man. She bought me a shot of Bourbon. But then an Indian dude from her party came over and started chiding her about hanging out with white boys. I'm sure he would love to marry her and both their parents would love that too. But no matter how you dress her for weddings she's an American girl and she's gonna do what she wants to do.



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It's hard to stop the American born children from becoming assimilated. Just this past weekend I was in St. Helena, CA and an Indian wedding party came into the bar I was at. An Indian girl about 25 sat down between me and three bros from Boston. The bros immediately began chatting her up. They started asking her trivia question. They asked which state capital is the only one without a McDonald's. I knew because I know a lot of shit. So I leaned over and told her, "It's Montpelier." The bros were impressed with her but she was impressed with me. I further surprised her by knowing her dress was called a salwar kameez. Suddenly she wasn't so interested in the bros and began focusing on this old man. She bought me a shot of Bourbon. But then an Indian dude from her party came over and started chiding her about hanging out with white boys. I'm sure he would love to marry her and both their parents would love that too. But no matter how you dress her for weddings she's an American girl and she's gonna do what she wants to do.



you nailed her didn't you! :lol:


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As for Muslims assimilating in Europe it has been a problem for a while particularly France. That is where all the trouble was talked about with them wanting their own areas and neighborhoods under Sharia law and so forth.


"No-go zones" was a lie created by FOX. It has been proven to be false over and over again. You really should feel shame for this terrible post.


......and 60 Minutes I guess.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/recruiting-for-isis-60-minutes/

.......Rumaysah and Choudary both live in east London, which is home to one of the largest Muslim populations in the U.K. In one part of town, Rumaysah and his associates have set up so called "Sharia patrols" to go out and discourage behavior that they deem un-Islamic.

On this night they stopped to talk to a couple of non-Muslim men who were in a park drinking beer, which is forbidden under Islam.

[Male voice: So we're just reminding anyway. Reminding the community about staying safe. And in this area there's a lot of gambling that goes on. A lot of alcohol drinking and it leads to a lot of problems. So we advise you and we advise anyone we see to stay away from these things.]

But the patrols are not always so friendly. Online clips give a very different picture.

A woman in a short skirt is abused. A man the patrol thinks is gay is insulted.......


Awfully convenient of you to leave out the part where he was arrested for his behavior.

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Awfully convenient of you to leave out the part where he was arrested for his behavior.

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But one week after our interview, Choudary was arrested "on suspicion of being a member of a proscribed or banned organization... and encouraging terrorism." Also rounded up in the raids, was one of his young followers, Abu Rumaysah.


SWUNG ON AND BELTED! :lol:

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The bros immediately began chatting her up. They started asking her trivia question. They asked which state capital is the only one without a McDonald's. I knew because I know a lot of shit. So I leaned over and told her, "It's Montpelier."


I don't know which is funnier, that three assholes decide to engage a woman they're trying to hit on with trivia, that they thought that question was a good entry point, or that you (and now the rest of us) know it's Montpelier. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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