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None of this makes sense. Crazy.

The Blackhawks are going to get rid of him, aren't they?


Nobody would trade for him now. But he needs to be on paid suspended leave as of right now until this is over. If it's the entire season, so be it.


Beardown, you coudnt be more wrong. The number of teams that would trade for him has probably doubled.

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"No one is claiming that the integrity of evidence was compromised before it was analyzed by the technician," Patrick Kane attorney says.


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Nobody would trade for him now. But he needs to be on paid suspended leave as of right now until this is over. If it's the entire season, so be it.


Who wouldn't trade for him? He's great and not going to be found guilty or not prosecuted for anything.


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Beardown wrote:
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None of this makes sense. Crazy.

The Blackhawks are going to get rid of him, aren't they?


Nobody would trade for him now. But he needs to be on paid suspended leave as of right now until this is over. If it's the entire season, so be it.

Why?


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My take on this......


First off, no one has stated that the rape kit needs to be stored in that bag once the results are out. For all we know, once the bag is opened, the kit and results are transferred to a different type of storage/bag. For all we know, the bag was thrown in the garbage as trash and some ass took it out and put it on the mom's doorstep because that person is a sick fuck.

second of all, people need to stop assuming the evidence was tampered with. The bag was empty, the attorney had no evidence that the actual rape kit was tampered with.

I found the most interesting part of the press conference was the start when the attorney blasted the leaks for letting out "supposed confidential information". Notice he didn't say false information. But, then later when asked in a round about way he issued a somewhat denial about the rumors that there was other semen in her genitals. But why wouldn't he start with that when he initially talked about the semen at the start of the presser? Probably because its true.

here's my theory on what we just saw. Accuser pretty much knows the criminal case is over and now she is just trying to save face. It makes it a lot better for her if she can say that the case was dropped because of tampered evidence as opposed to the case was dropped because she's a lying whore.

I haven't read most of the comments here, but if anyone is saying Kane is somehow behind this you need to ask yourself just how fucking stupid you are and also, why would Kane have any incentive to tamper with evidence that benefits him? Assuming the leaks are true and there is no Kaner DNA on the genitals or underwear and that there is DNA there from other people (or person) why would he want that tampered with?

And if you are going so far as to comment that somehow someone tampered with the results of the DNA test then you are a crackhead. It is impossible to remove DNA evidence.

I can't wait to hear from the DA. He has to stop hiding behind his desk now and make a statement.

If I were Kane I would have an immediate presser and demand the DA make a statement as whether or not Kane is considered a suspect in this case. Pronounce his innocence again and demand the DA either charge him or take his name out of it.

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Spoke to a good friend who is a CPD detective - "The amount of people let into an evidence room is exceedingly small." Or it should be. It's not like the movies, for this very reason. Obviously there are cameras. So if true, this would have only occurred during chain of custody and the paper trail should be just as documented unless this is something on the level of a department-wide complicity.

Can't see a situation where a friend of Kane, one single guy, was able to game the system unless he now flees the country or buys a white bronco.

Not going to be the knee-jerk kind of human. The DA could easily hold a presser holding the actual bag.

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I expect the Committed Indian guys to say that the evil and powerful John McDonough masterminded the whole thing, days after saying that he was a tone-deaf idiot who blew his chance to be the commissioner of the NHL by having such a bad press conference.

Im guessing Scotty Bowman used all of his old Buffalo contacts to muck this up. Im sure Obama had some input as well.

That's fine but I think you're forgetting one little detail: JET FUEL CAN'T MELT RAPE KITS

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bigfan wrote:
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None of this makes sense. Crazy.

The Blackhawks are going to get rid of him, aren't they?


Nobody would trade for him now. But he needs to be on paid suspended leave as of right now until this is over. If it's the entire season, so be it.


Beardown, you coudnt be more wrong. The number of teams that would trade for him has probably doubled.


But not right now I wouldn't think. They'd only make the move once this is over.


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If this bag was found in the trash, is it possible that the bags are discarded once the contents have been processed and that is not an unusual place to find it?




Congrats, you're officially smarter than the 25 reporters who attended the press conference, but didn't think to ask that question.

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Yeah, I don't see if the Buffalo police were in on some kind of conspiracy to take the heat off Kane, why would they then subsequently deliver the "rape kit eveidence bag" to the alleged victim's mother's house? Wouldn't that kind of, I don't know, blow their conspiracy cover?


They said it was found in the trash and the good samaritan delivered it. So if Kingpins henchmen had access to it to that point , why not make it disappear altogether instead of tossing it where it could be found?


If this bag was found in the trash, is it possible that the bags are discarded once the contents have been processed?

As a watcher of several police shows.....No way


How true to life are those shows in regards to all police procedures? I don't watch them, and I would never take a cushy job like police officer so I am unfamiliar with both the shows and the actual procedures.


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I haven't read most of the comments here, but if anyone is saying Kane is somehow behind this you need to ask yourself just how fucking stupid you are and also, why would Kane have any incentive to tamper with evidence that benefits him?

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Once again, SportsMockery had this before the presser. Not exact, but that an issue existed in the rape kit. Which came from The Niagara newspaper

his newspaper has confirmed that DNA tests conducted on the 21-year-old woman who has accused hockey star Patrick Kane of raping her has found DNA evidence of at least one person and possibly one or two more in her genital area but no traces of any DNA from Kane.

Has a little Penn St feel here?

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The times have changed!
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I haven't defended Kane at all in this thread. I have pointed out issues I have with the various pieces of "evidence" that have come out via the press. I've done the same thing for issues I have with posts written here that are from the pro-Kane camp as well, notably one a few pages back where i called out something Beardown wrote that was disparaging towards the accuser.

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here's my theory on what we just saw. Accuser pretty much knows the criminal case is over and now she is just trying to save face. It makes it a lot better for her if she can say that the case was dropped because of tampered evidence as opposed to the case was dropped because she's a lying whore.

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My take on this......


First off, no one has stated that the rape kit needs to be stored in that bag once the results are out. For all we know, once the bag is opened, the kit and results are transferred to a different type of storage/bag. For all we know, the bag was thrown in the garbage as trash and some ass took it out and put it on the mom's doorstep because that person is a sick fuck.

second of all, people need to stop assuming the evidence was tampered with. The bag was empty, the attorney had no evidence that the actual rape kit was tampered with.

I found the most interesting part of the press conference was the start when the attorney blasted the leaks for letting out "supposed confidential information". Notice he didn't say false information. But, then later when asked in a round about way he issued a somewhat denial about the rumors that there was other semen in her genitals. But why wouldn't he start with that when he initially talked about the semen at the start of the presser? Probably because its true.

here's my theory on what we just saw. Accuser pretty much knows the criminal case is over and now she is just trying to save face. It makes it a lot better for her if she can say that the case was dropped because of tampered evidence as opposed to the case was dropped because she's a lying whore.

I haven't read most of the comments here, but if anyone is saying Kane is somehow behind this you need to ask yourself just how fucking stupid you are and also, why would Kane have any incentive to tamper with evidence that benefits him? Assuming the leaks are true and there is no Kaner DNA on the genitals or underwear and that there is DNA there from other people (or person) why would he want that tampered with?

And if you are going so far as to comment that somehow someone tampered with the results of the DNA test then you are a crackhead. It is impossible to remove DNA evidence.

I can't wait to hear from the DA. He has to stop hiding behind his desk now and make a statement.

If I were Kane I would have an immediate presser and demand the DA make a statement as whether or not Kane is considered a suspect in this case. Pronounce his innocence again and demand the DA either charge him or take his name out of it.


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shakes wrote:
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If this bag was found in the trash, is it possible that the bags are discarded once the contents have been processed and that is not an unusual place to find it?




Congrats, you're officially smarter than the 25 reporters who attended the press conference, but didn't think to ask that question.

Well, if the procedure for a rape kit involves tossing it out in the trash where it can be accessed by anyone who is interested, that would be kinda surprising, wouldnt it?

Wouldnt something like that be stored for a while.


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Nashville Predators and St. Louis Blues fans all over the internet are in agreement that this proves Kane is guilty.

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I haven't read most of the comments here, but if anyone is saying Kane is somehow behind this you need to ask yourself just how fucking stupid you are and also, why would Kane have any incentive to tamper with evidence that benefits him?

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AN OFF DUTY COP DRIVES HIM AROUND WHO HAS TENTACLES THAT STRETCH INTO EVERY CORNER OF THE BUFFALO JUSTICE SYSTEM.

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If this bag was found in the trash, is it possible that the bags are discarded once the contents have been processed and that is not an unusual place to find it?




Congrats, you're officially smarter than the 25 reporters who attended the press conference, but didn't think to ask that question.

Well, if the procedure for a rape kit involves tossing it out in the trash where it can be accessed by anyone who is interested, that would be kinda surprising, wouldnt it?

Wouldnt something like that be stored for a while.


Was the rape kit itself in the trash or just the bag that at one time contained it? I thought it was just the bag.


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Nashville Predators and St. Louis Blues fans all over the internet are in agreement that this proves Kane is guilty.

If that makes David Backes or Pekka Rinne any better in the playoffs let me know.

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Tad Queasy wrote:
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If this bag was found in the trash, is it possible that the bags are discarded once the contents have been processed and that is not an unusual place to find it?




Congrats, you're officially smarter than the 25 reporters who attended the press conference, but didn't think to ask that question.

Well, if the procedure for a rape kit involves tossing it out in the trash where it can be accessed by anyone who is interested, that would be kinda surprising, wouldnt it?

Wouldnt something like that be stored for a while.


Was the rape kit itself in the trash or just the bag that at one time contained it? I thought it was just the bag.


Just the bag.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
shakes wrote:
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If this bag was found in the trash, is it possible that the bags are discarded once the contents have been processed and that is not an unusual place to find it?




Congrats, you're officially smarter than the 25 reporters who attended the press conference, but didn't think to ask that question.

Well, if the procedure for a rape kit involves tossing it out in the trash where it can be accessed by anyone who is interested, that would be kinda surprising, wouldnt it?

Wouldnt something like that be stored for a while.


HEY DUMBASS, A RAPE KIT BAG IS NOT THE SAME THING AS A RAPE KIT!

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The lawyer said that kit should always be sealed and stored. I got the impression that there is never a time when you throw it out after it's been processed or whatever. Unless he was lying, the evidence should always be in that paper bag.


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Was the rape kit itself in the trash or just the bag that at one time contained it? I thought it was just the bag.


Just the bag.

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Not a necessary press conference by the lawyer, dont think it helped in anyway. Just like everyone else in the world, this lawyer wanted justice and didnt think.

does he think some state trooper is now driving to the scene to take over? he did ask for a state trooper to get involved?

Not a smart move IMHO

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I am with Shakes on his posted ideas for now. The lawyer thing was very odd. Comes out blasting about semen then gets around to worst victim bashing in history. Really sounds to me that this is somehow a move on their part based on the leak of no Kane DNA but two other guys.

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The times have changed!
A few weeks ago:
shakes wrote:
I haven't defended Kane at all in this thread. I have pointed out issues I have with the various pieces of "evidence" that have come out via the press. I've done the same thing for issues I have with posts written here that are from the pro-Kane camp as well, notably one a few pages back where i called out something Beardown wrote that was disparaging towards the accuser.

Now:
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here's my theory on what we just saw. Accuser pretty much knows the criminal case is over and now she is just trying to save face. It makes it a lot better for her if she can say that the case was dropped because of tampered evidence as opposed to the case was dropped because she's a lying whore.


yep a lot has changed in the past few weeks. I'm quite confident in saying now that I think this is a bunch of bullshit and Kane did nothing wrong. I'd be shocked if he was charged at this point.

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Not a necessary press conference by the lawyer, dont think it helped in anyway. Just like everyone else in the world, this lawyer wanted justice and didnt think.

does he think some state trooper is now driving to the scene to take over? he did ask for a state trooper to get involved?

Not a smart move IMHO


He also asked for the FBI


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yep a lot has changed in the past few weeks. I'm quite confident in saying now that I think this is a bunch of bullshit and Kane did nothing wrong. I'd be shocked if he was charged at this point.
Nothing? :lol:

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Comes out blasting about semen

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shakes wrote:
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shakes wrote:
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If this bag was found in the trash, is it possible that the bags are discarded once the contents have been processed and that is not an unusual place to find it?




Congrats, you're officially smarter than the 25 reporters who attended the press conference, but didn't think to ask that question.

Well, if the procedure for a rape kit involves tossing it out in the trash where it can be accessed by anyone who is interested, that would be kinda surprising, wouldnt it?

Wouldnt something like that be stored for a while.


HEY DUMBASS, A RAPE KIT BAG IS NOT THE SAME THING AS A RAPE KIT!

HEY DOUCHEBAG, NO ONE TAKES YOU MORE SERIOUSLY IN CAPS

Also, you are dumber than almost everyone here.


I didnt realize it was only the bag. I read the original post on it as there was actual evidence in there. My mistake


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