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It's safe to say that multiple men had unprotected sex with her that night and that Kane bit her at some point. Maybe he didn't penetrate her but some shit went down in his house.


Was it ever confirmed that it was Kane that bit her?


Nothing has been confirmed. Just going off of what's in the press.

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it's also plausible that they tampered with it and made an identical bag with the same bar code. So they can just say this is the original bag and the bag at the door was a fixed bag made to look like something is up.


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It's safe to say that multiple men had unprotected sex with her that night and that Kane bit her at some point. Maybe he didn't penetrate her but some shit went down in his house.


So Kaner only got an assist?


Is Kane the only one being accused? Maybe it's just the media focusing on Kane, but if she was gang-raped, why hasn't anyone mentioned other assailants?


Finding "mixed" dna isn't a great sign.

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it's also plausible that they tampered with it and made an identical bag with the same bar code. So they can just say this is the original bag and the bag at the door was a fixed bag made to look like something is up.

Again, conspiracy on multiple levels to protect Patrick Kane? Not to mention being ok that he raped a girl?

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Young girls and women can be very stupid. You know that.


I'm not sure what you are saying here. The young boys and men have no responsibility in it?


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What else is Erie County going to say. "hey, there's that evidence bag we lost. we've been looking high and low for it. Thanks, sleazy lawyer dude."

Whats the point in making the statement now if they still have everything and they don't? So after they were alerted to the fact, ostensibly checked everything was still intact ,come out with a release saying they still have it but really don't? Then tomorrow say. oops yeah we fucked up and don't have it?


Why would they have to provide proof they have it? No one's been charged, so no one outside of LE can ask to see any evidence.

If no one is ever charged or the case doesn't go to trial/grand jury, the existence or non-existence of the rape kit/evidence bag becomes a moot point. And if someone is charged or there's a need for the evidence in a month or 6 months, "oops, we had it, now we don't. son of a gun" Or just make up a new one with some more other random DNA samples. Image

At this point in the proceedings and the way this case appears to be going, Erie County's in a strong position to bluff.


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Nas wrote:
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It's safe to say that multiple men had unprotected sex with her that night and that Kane bit her at some point. Maybe he didn't penetrate her but some shit went down in his house.


So Kaner only got an assist?


Is Kane the only one being accused? Maybe it's just the media focusing on Kane, but if she was gang-raped, why hasn't anyone mentioned other assailants?


Finding "mixed" dna isn't a great sign.



If she says she was gang-raped and Kane was part of it, then the DNA evidence works in her favor. If she says Kane raped her alone but she has other guys DNA in her pants, then it works against her.

Police say they were investigating an incident at Patrick Kane's home. No one has really expanded on what that incident was other than to say it was sexual assault. Was it multiple men? Just Kane? However, it would appear that no one other than Kane is being questioned as a suspect.


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it's also plausible that they tampered with it and made an identical bag with the same bar code. So they can just say this is the original bag and the bag at the door was a fixed bag made to look like something is up.

Again, conspiracy on multiple levels to protect Patrick Kane? Not to mention being ok that he raped a girl?


Even if Kane didn't actually rape her, can you agree that her leaving his house with his dna under her nails and on her shoulder and also have the dna of multiple guys inside of her makes him look bad?

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The head of the crime lab and the Chief of Police really need to hold a press conferences and answer questions. They can't just release statements saying "Everything is fine" and think it's over.


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Young girls and women can be very stupid. You know that.


I'm not sure what you are saying here. The young boys and men have no responsibility in it?


Yeah. They're having fun and she's being stretched out. I can't imagine that being a good memory later in life.

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Yeah. They're having fun and she's being stretched out. I can't imagine that being a good memory later in life.


That's gross. Shouldn't be a good memory for anybody.


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Nas wrote:
It's safe to say that multiple men had unprotected sex with her that night and that Kane bit her at some point. Maybe he didn't penetrate her but some shit went down in his house.


From what I read yesterday, the DNA from the other men could be from men she was with weeks ago. If that's true, it doesn't necessarily mean she had sex with them at Kane's house.


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Yeah. They're having fun and she's being stretched out. I can't imagine that being a good memory later in life.


That's gross. Shouldn't be a good memory for anybody.


If you say so.

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Nas wrote:

Even if Kane didn't actually rape her, can you agree that her leaving his house with his dna under her nails and on her shoulder and also have the dna of multiple guys inside of her makes him look bad?


DNA can be passed through sweat! It's summer, it's hot. They were in a bar. Is it reasonable to assume that if she sat next to him, he may have passed DNA through sweat, or spay (maybe he's a sprayer instead of a sayer). Under her nails? Have you ever not accidentally scratched someone? Boom...DNA transfer.

Does Julie Dicairo still think that may be rape?

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It's safe to say that multiple men had unprotected sex with her that night and that Kane bit her at some point. Maybe he didn't penetrate her but some shit went down in his house.


From what I read yesterday, the DNA from the other men could be from men she was with weeks ago. If that's true, it doesn't necessarily mean she had sex with them at Kane's house.


Weeks? That can't be possible. Nature has a way of removing those things.

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If she says she was gang-raped and Kane was part of it, then the DNA evidence works in her favor. If she says Kane raped her alone but she has other guys DNA in her pants, then it works against her.

Police say they were investigating an incident at Patrick Kane's home. No one has really expanded on what that incident was other than to say it was sexual assault. Was it multiple men? Just Kane? However, it would appear that no one other than Kane is being questioned as a suspect.


The Erie County letter referred to the matter as 'the Patrick Kane' case.


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In terms of twist and turns, this is awesome to follow.

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Nas wrote:
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It's safe to say that multiple men had unprotected sex with her that night and that Kane bit her at some point. Maybe he didn't penetrate her but some shit went down in his house.


From what I read yesterday, the DNA from the other men could be from men she was with weeks ago. If that's true, it doesn't necessarily mean she had sex with them at Kane's house.


Weeks? That can't be possible. Nature has a way of removing those things.


Thus the saying, "easy come, easy go".

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For all of you who didn't understand how this helps Kane, Kane's attorney has asked for the investigation to be dropped based on the evidence tampering.

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Nas wrote:
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It's safe to say that multiple men had unprotected sex with her that night and that Kane bit her at some point. Maybe he didn't penetrate her but some shit went down in his house.


From what I read yesterday, the DNA from the other men could be from men she was with weeks ago. If that's true, it doesn't necessarily mean she had sex with them at Kane's house.


Weeks? That can't be possible. Nature has a way of removing those things.


Detectable up to approx 3 weeks (depending on how vigilant the girl is about cooter hygiene). And spermbs can still poke one by the goalie for up to a week, once inside.


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Nas wrote:
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It's safe to say that multiple men had unprotected sex with her that night and that Kane bit her at some point. Maybe he didn't penetrate her but some shit went down in his house.


From what I read yesterday, the DNA from the other men could be from men she was with weeks ago. If that's true, it doesn't necessarily mean she had sex with them at Kane's house.


Weeks? That can't be possible. Nature has a way of removing those things.


"If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down."


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Yeah. They're having fun and she's being stretched out. I can't imagine that being a good memory later in life.


That's gross. Shouldn't be a good memory for anybody.

It is for the guy who looks at his buddies and thinks "I'd like to see his dick and how he uses it."

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It's safe to say that multiple men had unprotected sex with her that night and that Kane bit her at some point. Maybe he didn't penetrate her but some shit went down in his house.


From what I read yesterday, the DNA from the other men could be from men she was with weeks ago. If that's true, it doesn't necessarily mean she had sex with them at Kane's house.


Weeks? That can't be possible. Nature has a way of removing those things.


"If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down."


:lol: I was thinking of that when I made my post.

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For all of you who didn't understand how this helps Kane, Kane's attorney has asked for the investigation to be dropped based on the evidence tampering.


he wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't. he should be asking for the case to be dropped because of the unseasonably high temps in Erie County this week. Or because the Bills lost Sunday.

Without a charge against his client, he can't do much else at this point. Once Kaner's charged, then the lawyer can ask the evidence be non-admissible due to crappy chain of custody.


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GREAT LENGTHS.

Didn't the attorney say that the bag was just discovered yesterday afternoon, and the press conference was called a few hours later? In the world of legal eternities, a few hours doesn't seem to lend much credence to 'great lengths' to verify the authenticity of the bag.

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Being the county and local PD are claiming that the evidence is still sealed and hasn't left the building, where the hell does this story go now?

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GREAT LENGTHS.

Didn't the attorney say that the bag was just discovered yesterday afternoon, and the press conference was called a few hours later? In the world of legal eternities, a few hours doesn't seem to lend much credence to 'great lengths' to verify the authenticity of the bag.


They both googled and binged it.


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Being the county and local PD are claiming that the evidence is still sealed and hasn't left the building, where the hell does this story go now?


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Wonder if this is why they canceled the grand jury at the last minute.


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