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I wondered all along why nobody considered victim shaming with regard to Kane?

He's been shamed as a rapist for almost 3 months now. Shouldn't it work both ways?


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The best example was that Rolling Stone kerfuffle last year. A woman invented a gang rape, and stuck to the story for years, and was willing to relay the story to a national publication, and it turns out the whole thing was an effort to get the sympathy of a boy she was attracted to. It'd literally be unbelievable to me, had it not actually happened. But it did happen. You can't just assume guilt because it's improbable the accuser made it up. You have to see how it plays out. Period.



That is a good point. Broadcasters certainly should have remembered that before running away with the narrative. Of course B&B wanted Kane to be guilty so they were clouded.

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Did someone just call and say that it would have been better if Kane went to prison for the sins of the male gender?

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
I wondered all along why nobody considered victim shaming with regard to Kane?

He's been shamed as a rapist for almost 3 months now. Shouldn't it work both ways?



I have been a lone voice in the wilderness on that.

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A guy just called and said that "this is the worst possible outcome?" !?!?! HUH?

A false accusation is worse than if a person had actually been raped? WTF?

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Who knows what motivates people to do what they do? .


in high profile cases i'd guess the #1 reason is cash

Goff still believes that nobody really wants to put themselves through that whole ordeal just for a possible payday.

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What a mess.

All along, I believed the victim merely because she had a rape kit performed fairly soon after the alleged crime. If you weren't raped, I wonder why you would go in for a rape kit?

In any case, this is all very strange. I just tried to look at what little information was in the public sphere and come to my own conclusion.

She also immediately retained 2 attorneys, including a civil one.



It is an impossible situation for a victim. You know you are going to be hated and attacked. Even in a low profile case, rape victims are attacked based on looks, what they are wearing, etc. Now you have a popular pro athlete on his home turf, and things get ugly fast.


Imagine going to a hospital, and you tell the doctor you have been shot. They look for a gun shot wound and don't find one. If she wasn't raped by someone, what is the point of getting a rape kit. They won't find anything.

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 Post subject: Re: 9/25 "Gross"
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Did someone just call and say that it would have been better if Kane went to prison for the sins of the male gender?



That was the dumbest phone call I've ever heard.

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Did someone just call and say that it would have been better if Kane went to prison for the sins of the male gender?


I can't decide if I'm sorry I missed that or not.

Did a "man" say that?

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 Post subject: Re: 9/25 "Gross"
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Did someone just call and say that it would have been better if Kane went to prison for the sins of the male gender?


I can't decide if I'm sorry I missed that or not.

Yeah, even the guys weren't on board with that. Jason said no innocent man should go to prison as some kind of martyr.

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 Post subject: Re: 9/25 "Gross"
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Curious Hair wrote:
Did someone just call and say that it would have been better if Kane went to prison for the sins of the male gender?



That was the dumbest phone call I've ever heard.



Sports talk radio is bad. It was the Penn State stuff that made me give up on B&B. I couldn't take it anymore. Today's show may make me give up on Goff/Spiegs. This is awful in every way.

I want them to talk about sports, not social issues. This is what you get when you have sports guys weighing in on legal or social matters.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
I wondered all along why nobody considered victim shaming with regard to Kane?

He's been shamed as a rapist for almost 3 months now. Shouldn't it work both ways?


What kind of rape culture supporting misogynist are you?

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 Post subject: Re: 9/25 "Gross"
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
A guy just called and said that "this is the worst possible outcome?" !?!?! HUH?

A false accusation is worse than if a person had actually been raped? WTF?

That was one of the big B&B points yesterday. How this is such a shame. I kept thinking to myself "wait, wouldn't it be better if this were a false accusation?" They were shaming people for hoping that it was phony. But, uh, that outcome would mean no one was raped. Seems better than the alternative to me.

I think there's a certain type of person who finds the credibility hit that comes with a false accusation worse than a single rape. Also, it's pretty obvious B&B very much want Kane to be guilty of this, because he's a bad guy or something. BRick can probably shine a light on that (assuming he's not busy sexually assaulting anyone).

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 Post subject: Re: 9/25 "Gross"
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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Did someone just call and say that it would have been better if Kane went to prison for the sins of the male gender?



That was the dumbest phone call I've ever heard.

Several prominent feminists have argued in recent years that we should assume all claims of rape are true, and if some men have to wrongly go to prison, it's worth it to get more women to come forward. Believe it or not, this is mainstream these days.

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 Post subject: Re: 9/25 "Gross"
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What a mess.

All along, I believed the victim merely because she had a rape kit performed fairly soon after the alleged crime. If you weren't raped, I wonder why you would go in for a rape kit?

In any case, this is all very strange. I just tried to look at what little information was in the public sphere and come to my own conclusion.

She also immediately retained 2 attorneys, including a civil one.



It is an impossible situation for a victim. You know you are going to be hated and attacked. Even in a low profile case, rape victims are attacked based on looks, what they are wearing, etc. Now you have a popular pro athlete on his home turf, and things get ugly fast.


Imagine going to a hospital, and you tell the doctor you have been shot. They look for a gun shot wound and don't find one. If she wasn't raped by someone, what is the point of getting a rape kit. They won't find anything.



Right, and I do understand what Fels was going for with his #Blacklivesmatter analogy, as tortured as it may have been. The difference is in that case the larger goal of taking on institutions is right and noble. In an incident like this it's an individual who can never regain his reputation no matter what.

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 Post subject: Re: 9/25 "Gross"
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Did someone just call and say that it would have been better if Kane went to prison for the sins of the male gender?


I can't decide if I'm sorry I missed that or not.

Yeah, even the guys weren't on board with that. Jason said no innocent man should go to prison as some kind of martyr.


#Blackhawklivesmatter

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 Post subject: Re: 9/25 "Gross"
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Did someone just call and say that it would have been better if Kane went to prison for the sins of the male gender?


I can't decide if I'm sorry I missed that or not.

Yeah, even the guys weren't on board with that. Jason said no innocent man should go to prison as some kind of martyr.


#Blackhawklivesmatter

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 Post subject: Re: 9/25 "Gross"
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More bravos from Kanes attorney . "Don't be so quick to label who the victim is in these cases".

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 Post subject: Re: 9/25 "Gross"
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Yeah the Hustler lawyer is on his game. He is laying out how to connect victim to bag and this is ovah.

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 Post subject: Re: 9/25 "Gross"
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Who knows what motivates people to do what they do? .


in high profile cases i'd guess the #1 reason is cash

Goff still believes that nobody really wants to put themselves through that whole ordeal just for a possible payday.


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Yeah the Hustler lawyer is on his game. He is laying out how to connect victim to bag and this is ovah.

He's solid for sure. Sounds very competent. Has his ducks in a row. Would love to see him bring a defamation suit.

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BRick can probably shine a light on that (assuming he's not busy sexually assaulting anyone).
I'd have a lot more respect for this if you didn't run and hide after I showed just how dumb your comment was.

Anyways, I am going to ask you nicely to please stop calling me a rapist.

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BRick can probably shine a light on that (assuming he's not busy sexually assaulting anyone).
I'd have a lot more respect for this if you didn't run and hide after I showed just how dumb your comment was.

Anyways, I am going to ask you nicely to please stop calling me a rapist.

Can we at least infer that you perpetuate #rapeculture?

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BRick can probably shine a light on that (assuming he's not busy sexually assaulting anyone).
I'd have a lot more respect for this if you didn't run and hide after I showed just how dumb your comment was.

Anyways, I am going to ask you nicely to please stop calling me a rapist.

I'm just relaying what I heard. You can question it's credibility, that's your prerogative. So I won't be doing that.

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I'm just relaying what I heard. You can question it's credibility, that's your prerogative. So I won't be doing that.
So this is the route you want to go down? Really?

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I'm just relaying what I heard. You can question it's credibility, that's your prerogative. So I won't be doing that.
So this is the route you want to go down? Really?

Don't like it when it's you, eh? Oh well!

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I'm just relaying what I heard. You can question it's credibility, that's your prerogative. So I won't be doing that.
So this is the route you want to go down? Really?

Don't like it when it's you, eh? Oh well!
No, I don't.

Which is why I never called Kane a rapist either but you'll ignore that I'm sure.

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I'm just relaying what I heard. You can question it's credibility, that's your prerogative. So I won't be doing that.
So this is the route you want to go down? Really?

Don't like it when it's you, eh? Oh well!
No, I don't.

Which is why I never called Kane a rapist either but you'll ignore that I'm sure.

Nah, just a bad guy (implication being -who would no doubt rape someone). I haven't accused you of rape either; just sexual assault. Remember, it's defined very loosely these days to get those rape culture claims some backing. The rumors I've heard haven't made it perfectly clear what you've done; maybe you just grabbed asses at parties or something (I'm not ruling out rape though!). All I can be sure is that you're probably some sort of sociopathic misogynist. Definitely a bad guy. It's what I've heard, and we'll leave it at that.

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Nah, just a bad guy (implication being -who would no doubt rape someone).
That's a pretty dumb statement there and quite frankly unfair. I thought he was a bad guy before these allegations even existed.
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I haven't accused you of rape either; just sexual assault.
Oh, so you are accusing me of sexual assault? I'll ask nicely again for you please not to do so.
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Remember, it's defined very loosely these days to get those rape culture claims some backing. The rumors I've heard haven't made it perfectly clear what you've done; maybe you just grabbed asses at parties or something (I'm not ruling out rape though!). All I can be sure is that you're probably some sort of sociopathic misogynist. Definitely a bad guy. It's what I've heard, and we'll leave it at that.
I don't know what point you are making here but I would welcome you to actually respond to my original response to you rather than acting like an unhinged loon.

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