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I guess we'll never really know what she knew and when. Even if it's never proven she knew she probably was in on it.

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I don't think it was a "grand conspiracy", but I tend to believe the daughter knew what the mother (or whoever) was doing. Frankly, I'm not sure the accuser remembers what happened on the night in question. When the facts about the DNA evidence leaked, I think she knew her case was getting shaky.
Yeah, but you at least seem to acknowledge that it may have just been an irrational mother doing something irrational and destroying the whole case.


so you believe the mom is completely innocent and just kind of went haywire in trying to protect her daughter and ensure a (just) conviction was secured ?


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so you believe the mom is completely innocent and just kind of went haywire in trying to protect her daughter and ensure a (just) conviction was secured ?
No.

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I don't think it was a "grand conspiracy", but I tend to believe the daughter knew what the mother (or whoever) was doing. Frankly, I'm not sure the accuser remembers what happened on the night in question. When the facts about the DNA evidence leaked, I think she knew her case was getting shaky.
Yeah, but you at least seem to acknowledge that it may have just been an irrational mother doing something irrational and destroying the whole case.


Even as irrational mother... they want us to believe the daughter never saw the bag from the point it was dropped off at the house until it was presented. If she saw the bag, she should have known that wasn't what was used for the kit at the Dr's office.

Crazy doesn't fall far from the tree, the accuser is as bad as the mom.


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Even as irrational mother... they want us to believe the daughter never saw the bag from the point it was dropped off at the house until it was presented. If she saw the bag, she should have known that wasn't what was used for the kit at the Dr's office.
A rape kit bag does not exist, so anyone who saw the rape kit would have no idea if it was used with it or not.

As I said though, if you want to think that the daughter was working with her mother on this go ahead. The accusers side lost the expectation of credibility with this stunt.

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Now, before anyone classifies my observation as victim blaming, I want to point out that she is no longer a victim, but rather a perpetrator. Victims don't fake evidence.
I don't know if this changes your beliefs but I believe it is her mom that is the one who faked the evidence according to what the DA said.

here's what I don't understand, and I have tried to not form opinions on this case. If the girl was present when the rape kit was performed, wouldn't you think she would know the contents? Why wouldn't she have told her lawyer, "I don't think that bag was a part of the rape kit". I assume the lawyer consulted her before he went public...isn't it fair to assume she green lighted the press conference and knew the bag was not legit?

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Now, before anyone classifies my observation as victim blaming, I want to point out that she is no longer a victim, but rather a perpetrator. Victims don't fake evidence.
I don't know if this changes your beliefs but I believe it is her mom that is the one who faked the evidence according to what the DA said.

here's what I don't understand, and I have tried to not form opinions on this case. If the girl was present when the rape kit was performed, wouldn't you think she would know the contents? Why wouldn't she have told her lawyer, "I don't think that bag was a part of the rape kit". I assume the lawyer consulted her before he went public...isn't it fair to assume she green lighted the press conference and knew the bag was not legit?
I doubt when you are getting a rape kit done that you are paying huge attention to whether it was placed in a bag or not afterwards.

The lawyer looks really stupid though for not knowing that the rape kit doesn't go into a bag at all. Don't these guys have experts they can call and ask a very basic question like that?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Now, before anyone classifies my observation as victim blaming, I want to point out that she is no longer a victim, but rather a perpetrator. Victims don't fake evidence.
I don't know if this changes your beliefs but I believe it is her mom that is the one who faked the evidence according to what the DA said.

here's what I don't understand, and I have tried to not form opinions on this case. If the girl was present when the rape kit was performed, wouldn't you think she would know the contents? Why wouldn't she have told her lawyer, "I don't think that bag was a part of the rape kit". I assume the lawyer consulted her before he went public...isn't it fair to assume she green lighted the press conference and knew the bag was not legit?
I doubt when you are getting a rape kit done that you are paying huge attention to whether it was placed in a bag or not afterwards.

The lawyer looks really stupid though for not knowing that the rape kit doesn't go into a bag at all. Don't these guys have experts they can call and ask a very basic question like that?

I would imagine having a rape kit done is a very big deal. The timeline shows she had gone home and changed and theoretically collected herself. You would think she WOULD notice the contents and the packaging. I guess we disagree.

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So her deleting the social media accounts makes sense now (since she's an Instagram model type)

People were calling her a slut without the 1000's of bikini pics


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At this point I don't think there's any way the daughter didn't know what her mom was doing. She went to the hospital and was present when the nurse gave that bag to her mom. That bag has been in her house for over a month, at some point I'm sure she took her shirt out of it since it wasn't relevant to the case. Even if the daughter hadn't seen the bag in a few weeks, she had to recognize it when it was paraded in front of the media during the news conference. I would also bet that the attorney at least asked his client if she had seen the bag before he had the presser.

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and nothing has changed...
Kane is an elite NHL player who is very bad person.FALSE, THERE IS NOTHING TO SUGGEST HE IS A BAD PERSON
Some young lady from Buffalo is a moron who was drunk in a bar at 2:00 and foolishly went home with a man she doesn't know.
Maybe a rape happened. Maybe drunken sex happened. FALSE, MOST LIKELY SCENARIO IS NO SEX HAPPENED AT ALL BETWEEN HER AND KANE
At this point, I don't know and the story is now really old.ACTUALLY NOW THE STORY APPEARS TO BE PRETTY OBVIOUS

Young ladies....use your brain and don't go home with strange men.
Men....no means no.NOT RELEVANT TO THIS DISCUSSION
Patrick Kane...your probably a lost cause at this point.NO BASIS FOR THIS STATEMENT
John McDonough....You need to hire a full-time babysitter to protect the investment you have in #88FALSE, NO NEED FOR A BABYSITTER FOR PERSON WHO HASN'T BEEN CHARGED WITH A CRIME IN OVER 6 YEARS

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Kane is an elite NHL player who is very bad person.FALSE, THERE IS NOTHING TO SUGGEST HE IS A BAD PERSON
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Kane is an elite NHL player who is very bad person.FALSE, THERE IS NOTHING TO SUGGEST HE IS A BAD PERSON
:lol:


I think papashakes logged in.

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So her deleting the social media accounts makes sense now (since she's an Instagram model type)

People were calling her a slut without the 1000's of bikini pics

That's the wrong girl. Instagram bikini girl is Hailey Pandolfi, not Hayley Pandolfi.

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I love when Shakes keeps BRick busy, so the rest of us can enjoy CSFMB in peace.

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Kane is an elite NHL player who is very bad person.FALSE, THERE IS NOTHING TO SUGGEST HE IS A BAD PERSON
:lol:



Prove it. Unless you can prove it all you're doing is engaging in victim bashing.

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I love when Shakes keeps BRick busy, so the rest of us can enjoy CSFMB in peace.


:lol:

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I love when Shakes keeps BRick busy, so the rest of us can enjoy CSFMB in peace.


:lol: :lol:


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I found out who the cop was that was driving Kane home it was none other than..

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So her deleting the social media accounts makes sense now (since she's an Instagram model type)

People were calling her a slut without the 1000's of bikini pics

That's the wrong girl. Instagram bikini girl is Hailey Pandolfi, not Hayley Pandolfi.

Well what the fuck


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Both sides asking for money now???

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shakes wrote:
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Kane is an elite NHL player who is very bad person.FALSE, THERE IS NOTHING TO SUGGEST HE IS A BAD PERSON
:lol:



Prove it. Unless you can prove it all you're doing is engaging in victim bashing.
There is a cab driver in Buffalo that would have something to say about how good of a person he is.

...and the reports of some of the things that happened in Madison.

So yes, taking this whole sexual assault out of the equation, there is more than nothing to suggest he is a bad person.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
shakes wrote:
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Kane is an elite NHL player who is very bad person.FALSE, THERE IS NOTHING TO SUGGEST HE IS A BAD PERSON
:lol:



Prove it. Unless you can prove it all you're doing is engaging in victim bashing.
There is a cab driver in Buffalo that would have something to say about how good of a person he is.

...and the reports of some of the things that happened in Madison.

So yes, taking this whole sexual assault out of the equation, there is more than nothing to suggest he is a bad person.


What exactly are the reports from Madison? Nobody seems to have an answer.

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What exactly are the reports from Madison? Nobody seems to have an answer.
http://deadspin.com/5909246/reconstructing-patrick-kanes-drunken-weekend-in-madison

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
shakes wrote:
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Kane is an elite NHL player who is very bad person.FALSE, THERE IS NOTHING TO SUGGEST HE IS A BAD PERSON
:lol:



Prove it. Unless you can prove it all you're doing is engaging in victim bashing.
There is a cab driver in Buffalo that would have something to say about how good of a person he is.

...and the reports of some of the things that happened in Madison.

So yes, taking this whole sexual assault out of the equation, there is more than nothing to suggest he is a bad person.



I guess some might say he is a sick person or perhaps has definite issues but still is not a bad person.

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What exactly are the reports from Madison? Nobody seems to have an answer.
http://deadspin.com/5909246/reconstructing-patrick-kanes-drunken-weekend-in-madison


Ha. Best line of the whole piece.

In general, besides the choking, he didn't seem like a terrible guy, and was pretty willing to let people talk to him and take pics.

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But Patrick Kane is not your friend. You are not his dawg, and he is not your bro. For all intents and purposes, he doesn’t care about you, no matter how many times you’ve swooned at him saying something about “not being able to accomplish this without you great fans.”

And you need to stop with the garbage default setting of rushing to defend him — even under the guise of “innocent until proven guilty.”


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rogers park bryan wrote:
badrogue17 wrote:
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So her deleting the social media accounts makes sense now (since she's an Instagram model type)

People were calling her a slut without the 1000's of bikini pics

That's the wrong girl. Instagram bikini girl is Hailey Pandolfi, not Hayley Pandolfi.

Well what the fuck


Are we.sure that isnt the same woman?

Which one is in that Vine?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
shakes wrote:
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Kane is an elite NHL player who is very bad person.FALSE, THERE IS NOTHING TO SUGGEST HE IS A BAD PERSON
:lol:



Prove it. Unless you can prove it all you're doing is engaging in victim bashing.
There is a cab driver in Buffalo that would have something to say about how good of a person he is.

...and the reports of some of the things that happened in Madison.

So yes, taking this whole sexual assault out of the equation, there is more than nothing to suggest he is a bad person.


so your "evidence" that he is a bad person is a misdemeanor in Buffalo 6 years ago where Kane pled out to a non-violent charge and the facts as to who punched the cab driver have never come out, a drunken weekend in Madison where he got in no legal trouble and now this, a most likely money grab scam where Kane is the victim?

Very convincing Brick, very convincing.

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Let's try and establish some kind of a baseline here. Shakes, do you consider yourself a bad person?


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