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 Post subject: 10/01: Math day
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Dan found some new math thing or something, and it will change baseball forever or something, and then it won't be talked about again like the last thing that was supposed to change baseball forever.

Still the best show in Chicago, but today, it may only be marginally superior to the other shows rather than far superior.

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 Post subject: Re: 10/01: Math day
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still waiting for those awesome defensive stats we've been hearing about for years.

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still waiting for those awesome defensive stats we've been hearing about for years.

Anything on the no way Mantle was faster to first than Billy Hamilton math?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Dan found some new math thing or something,


I'm sure it's some stupid common core shit his "genius" son taught him while doing homework together

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Carlos Enrique Nolasco is apparently a racist white guy.

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Carlos Enrique Nolasco is apparently a racist white guy.

Ted Cruz likes this.

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essentially these stats that Dan is now reading sound like "clutch"

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Clutchness. :lol:

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you gotta be fucking kidding me. :lol:

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so Dan is willing to be seen as going over to the clutch side, why? Because Cubs players are good at this stat. And Rizzo leads it by a lot.

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 Post subject: Re: 10/01: Math day
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Clutchness. :lol:


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you gotta be fucking kidding me. :lol:


Yeah, gotta agree with those sentiments ... taking something that may have merit and just making it sound cartoonishly stupid.

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this just in...being "clutch"...matters! :shock:


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somebody got a source for what he's talking about? I missed the intro.

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so Dan is willing to be seen as going over to the clutch side, why? Because Cubs players are good at this stat. And Rizzo leads it by a lot.
This is exactly it.

JORR's Bernstein is a Cubs fan theory is now clearly correct.

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found it:

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/2015- ... ony-rizzo/

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 Post subject: Re: 10/01: Math day
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tl;dr

Seems like something reverse-engineered to get a desired result.

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he's truly the dumbest man on earth. we just talked about the cubs awesome clutchiness and now he proclaims baseball is all random.

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Counting down to the moment Goff falls in line. I heard a few of his Bleacher Report shows on Sirius, and when he wasn't discussing how much "play" he and his cohosts were getting, he spent a half hour eseentially reading a transcript from an old Bernstein show on the myth of clutch. It was quite almost creepy.

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 Post subject: Re: 10/01: Math day
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he's truly the dumbest man on earth. we just talked about the cubs awesome clutchiness and now he proclaims baseball is all random.


The outcome of a game due to the collective efforts of two teams is random; an individual performance can be clutch.

(I don't know if that works; I'm just guessing at his response)

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 Post subject: Re: 10/01: Math day
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welp it seems like the math/stats talk has been eschewed in favor of dan and terry championing baseball "fun" aka "showboating" and etc. they can deride the "fun police" with their lofty status as the "have fun police", eh?

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as evidence of racism he's telling the story of some white guy who went down to the Dominican (?) and adapted his behavior to fit in with the mores down there.

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:lol: :lol: If you accept this philosophy there is NO WAY you can argue against the merit of a starter's W/L record or a batter's RBI.

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Don Tiny wrote:
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he's truly the dumbest man on earth. we just talked about the cubs awesome clutchiness and now he proclaims baseball is all random.


The outcome of a game due to the collective efforts of two teams is random; an individual performance can be clutch.

(I don't know if that works; I'm just guessing at his response)


It doesn't work. The entire field of modern SABRmetrics is based on the belief that the "when" of a player's accomplishments is purely random. I'm sure you remember as well as I do bernstein screaming at callers words to this effect: "ARE YOU SAYING HE ISN'T TRYING HIS HARDEST ALL THE TIME?????"

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The argument has always been that there are clutch hits just not clutch players.

That a player's stats will be the same, over a long sample size, batting in the first innings with nobody on as it will be in the ninth with the game on the line. So if a player bats .300 with runners in scoring position. He probably also bats .300 with nobody on base.


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The argument has always been that there are clutch hits just not clutch players.

That a player's stats will be the same, over a long sample size, batting in the first innings with nobody on as it will be in the ninth with the game on the line. So if a player bats .300 with runners in scoring position. He probably also bats .300 with nobody on base.

My argument would be to say "what happened to Rick Ankiel in the playoffs?"


There are guys that tighten up in big situations. To deny that is crazy.


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City of Fools wrote:
essentially these stats that Dan is now reading sound like "clutch"

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Clayton Kershaw...regular season.....STELLAR...

Clayton Kershaw postseason...blooooooows....


Dan and Terry in past years prior to postseason...."nobody's gonna beat Kershaw" :lol:


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Beardown wrote:
The argument has always been that there are clutch hits just not clutch players.

That a player's stats will be the same, over a long sample size, batting in the first innings with nobody on as it will be in the ninth with the game on the line. So if a player bats .300 with runners in scoring position. He probably also bats .300 with nobody on base.


If that's the case this "stat" that bernstein is using to trumpet Rizzo is complete nonsense.

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