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http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/story/2015-01-08/cubs-world-series-sporting-news-picks-lester-maddon-bryant

Yeah, no.

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I have previously contested that pitching, while not sustainable, was not the reason for Cub losses over the past couple of years. They received excellent performances each year before blowing it up at the trade deadline. Also, I do not believe that they have demonstrably improved their offense for 2015. Taking these together, I think the stretch of .500 baseball they played last year is a best case scenario. More realistically, they are still a below .500 team, one that will realize intense growing pains in the middle part of the season. I expect they will finish below .500 and in 4th place in the division.


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Safe assumption: The Cubs' offense will be better in 2015 than it was in 2014.


What leads you to believe such a thing?

i r smrt

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81-81

Gonna take a 2-3 seasons to sift out which prospects are real and which suck. Plus have to pencil in Arrieta's two 15-day DL stints.

they're all real. and no DL-stints :shock:
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I think a lot depends on how well your manager uses the talent upgrades...


Outside of Lester, what are the "talent upgrades"? All the other "upgrades" are based on assumption rather than any track record.

The manager is a talent upgrade


The manager isn't going to win or lose any more games than any other manager.



:lol: :lol: :lol: JORR had a hell of a thread. Looking back on this I'm sure we can safely say managers do indeed win/lose games vs other managers. If you don't want to admit Joe Maddon has won the Cubs games, you can't deny that Matt Williams lost the Nats many many games.
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No Managers do not matter. At all. JORR said so. Wrong again.
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84 to 86 wins is reasonable I think.

Not terrible. Still undersold it. Shucks.

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I have previously contested that pitching, while not sustainable, was not the reason for Cub losses over the past couple of years. They received excellent performances each year before blowing it up at the trade deadline. Also, I do not believe that they have demonstrably improved their offense for 2015. Taking these together, I think the stretch of .500 baseball they played last year is a best case scenario. More realistically, they are still a below .500 team, one that will realize intense growing pains in the middle part of the season. I expect they will finish below .500 and in 4th place in the division.


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Sorry, they finished in 3rd not 4th.

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No Managers do not matter. At all. JORR said so. Wrong again.


Identify each of the wins and losses directly attributable to Maddon.

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I think it all depends on how much you get from Arietta and Hendricks (and Coghlan). If those guys perform like they did last year (GIANT IF) they can be a contending team.

Spot on.
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82-84.

Going to start off cold and play above .500 ball from mid-July or so on.


I think the exact opposite. I think they start off strong and fade the second time through the league

Unless Bryant ends up being awesome, in which case theyll improve after May

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good dolphin wrote:
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No Managers do not matter. At all. JORR said so. Wrong again.


Identify each of the wins and losses directly attributable to Maddon.

Well obviously the post magician win
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good dolphin wrote:
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No Managers do not matter. At all. JORR said so. Wrong again.


Identify each of the wins and losses directly attributable to Maddon.


He's terrible...wish we had Robin over here.

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bigfan wrote:
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No Managers do not matter. At all. JORR said so. Wrong again.


Identify each of the wins and losses directly attributable to Maddon.


He's terrible...wish we had Robin over here.


No, he won them games. Identify each of the games he won and lost so we can give him his due.

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good dolphin wrote:
I have previously contested that pitching, while not sustainable, was not the reason for Cub losses over the past couple of years. They received excellent performances each year before blowing it up at the trade deadline. Also, I do not believe that they have demonstrably improved their offense for 2015. Taking these together, I think the stretch of .500 baseball they played last year is a best case scenario. More realistically, they are still a below .500 team, one that will realize intense growing pains in the middle part of the season. I expect they will finish below .500 and in 4th place in the division.


That's exactly how I feel. When Shark was here,how many 2-1 and 3-2 losses did he suffer?
I don't think Baez will be given a long leash this season. If he keeps striking out at a Dunn like pace,send him back to AAA. He needs to be in a platoon at 2nd with Valbuena and the boy wonder at 3rd to start the year.




Having said all that,120-42....."F' OFF,Sox Fan! This is Cub business.


Still didn't measure up to my prediction but close enough.

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good dolphin wrote:
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No Managers do not matter. At all. JORR said so. Wrong again.


Identify each of the wins and losses directly attributable to Maddon.

I can't do that for anybody on the team.....

Maybe none of them matter? :shock:

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spanky wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
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No Managers do not matter. At all. JORR said so. Wrong again.


Identify each of the wins and losses directly attributable to Maddon.

I can't do that for anybody on the team.....

Maybe none of them matter? :shock:


"spanky can't do" is hardly a qualification of reality. If it were, the only real things in this world would be pissing off IMU and serving up free beers to wonderful friends.

However, there are both statistical and anecdotal measurements for player wins

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every win and every loss are at least partially on the manager. he makes out the lineup card and makes the pitching moves and strategic decisions. i think you could point at any game and say the manager had an influence just by the guys he ran out there at what position and what place in the order or by what pitchers he brought in what situations. clearly the guy did some pretty unusual things with the lineup day in and day out that other managers may not have done, and it is hard to argue with the results.
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and some of those moves resulted in losses while others had a negligible effect

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I think most Cub fans were right on the money with the thought that they could and should be able to compete for that second wild card spot.
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You deserve a ton of credit for likely only being one place off in their NL Central standing.
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I expect they will finish below .500

and....so far only 30 games off on the below .500 part.

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IMU wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Safe assumption: The Cubs' offense will be better in 2015 than it was in 2014.


What leads you to believe such a thing?

i r smrt

Agreed.

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http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/story/2015-01-08/cubs-world-series-sporting-news-picks-lester-maddon-bryant

Yeah, no.

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good dolphin wrote:
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good dolphin wrote:
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No Managers do not matter. At all. JORR said so. Wrong again.


Identify each of the wins and losses directly attributable to Maddon.

I can't do that for anybody on the team.....

Maybe none of them matter? :shock:


"spanky can't do" is hardly a qualification of reality. If it were, the only real things in this world would be pissing off IMU and serving up free beers to wonderful friends.

However, there are both statistical and anecdotal measurements for player wins

:lol:

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good dolphin wrote:
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good dolphin wrote:
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No Managers do not matter. At all. JORR said so. Wrong again.


Identify each of the wins and losses directly attributable to Maddon.

I can't do that for anybody on the team.....

Maybe none of them matter? :shock:


"spanky can't do" is hardly a qualification of reality. If it were, the only real things in this world would be pissing off IMU and serving up free beers to wonderful friends.

However, there are both statistical and anecdotal measurements for player wins

I never knew that there were statistics that identified which individual games each player was responsible for winning or losing.

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good dolphin wrote:
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No Managers do not matter. At all. JORR said so. Wrong again.


Identify each of the wins and losses directly attributable to Maddon.

Each win that made a difference this year. Probably 10 at least. :roll:
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Scooter wrote:
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No Managers do not matter. At all. JORR said so. Wrong again.


Identify each of the wins and losses directly attributable to Maddon.

Each win that made a difference this year. Probably 10 at least. :roll:


It's obviously a dumb request. I like dolphin, though, so maybe he's just allowing some context for... haaaaa, who the fuck am i kidding?!

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Scooter wrote:
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No Managers do not matter. At all. JORR said so. Wrong again.


Identify each of the wins and losses directly attributable to Maddon.

Each win that made a difference this year. Probably 10 at least. :roll:


another guy insisting in the truth of something he cannot prove

You will bury Maddon in the future for the same things he does today.

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You will bury Maddon in the future for the same things he does today.

ya, i'm itching to unload on him next time he invites the Columbus zoo to Wrigley so players and their family can interact with some cool animals.
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You will bury Maddon in the future for the same things he does today.

ya, i'm itching to unload on him next time he invites the Columbus zoo to Wrigley so players and their family can interact with some cool animals.


It's absolutely going to happen.

The magicians and dress up and pajama parties are great team building exercises when the team is winning.

When they have a bad season, though, it'll be a distraction and fans will hate it.

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Bad season? They get off to a slow start next year, and watch the meatheads turn on him.

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