how charitable of Mr. Reinsdorf to allow the IFSA to do that. his generosity knows no bounds.


oh.



brooks boyer my guy!

I'm not okay with it, but I'm also not kidding myself that the Cubs are doing everything at Clark and Addison on their own dime.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

It's been like this longer than five years. Sox fans were crowing about how they, unlike us, come to watch the game back when they first built FUNdamentals and we didn't even have a video board.

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Guessing 95% on their own dime. If the actual model of revenue production was applied to Wrigley, it would probably be one of the few facilities that should get public funds to improve, but like anything else in life, easy to attack the guy at the top of the heap...so they moved on.

But, all public ulilities, streets, lighting and other infrastructure should be paid for by the city, just as in almost every development. Someone is spending to improve the area, the city should also be putting in new sidewalks, new sewers, new water lines, new power, etc. That includes if the Sox were spending any of their own money, the streets should be built to accomodate the traffic, pedestrians, etc. Even the public park near Comiskular should be made to accomodate tailgating, barbqs etc.

Once again, EVERY MORNING 2 old guys walk by my place with brooms and garbage cans sweeping the street, with jackets that say Courtesy of the Chicago Cubs. Well, the cubs havent been home since last weekend, will guess that the mess isnt from the Cubs fans, yet they are charged with that responsibility?

Let me ask this question.

Would the Sox be getting new video screens if they had to pay for the whole thing?

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"That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." Banky
“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

Yes.

Assuming they owned the stadium why wouldn't they?

If the Cubs wanted the Sox sweet deal they could have sold Wrigley to them for a $1. The city would have jumped at the chance.

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Yep. There were no World Series banners on display in the Wrigley mockups.

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So, you think the city would have jumped at the chance to allow the Cubs to pay them $1.50 for every fan, then do $500 mill in improvements and every year dump in another $5 mill?

Who is your great source on this one?

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"That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." Banky
“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

Yes.

It happens pretty much everywhere else, including in Chicago.

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The discussed rent for Wrigley was $20 mill a year, if the ISFA acquired the property via a sale from Sam Zell to the ISFA, brokered by Uncle Jerry, even though he didnt have really any input in Sam's talks, even though he put Sam in touch with those at the ISFA and he talked with Sam about owning shares of 2 baseball teams, he really had nothing to do with any of it...oh yeah, he was overseeing the offers made to buy the Cubs....but had very little to do with the whole process as he told Cuban to stop bidding on something he would never get.

...but other than that.....he had really no input in the process.....basically a bystander.

Must be hard to live out of town.

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"That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." Banky
“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

Yeah, but in reality, it would end up the same way as most other stadiums.

However, there is an advantage to owning your own stadium, as the Cubs are learning with all the other events and other things they can do with it.

The bottom line is that if having the city of Chicago own your stadium is such a major benefit the Cubs could have sold it to them for $1. There is a reason they didn't.

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Yes, the Cubs didnt sell because they can make money, but the SWEET DEAL acquired by the Sox would NEVER have been offered to the Cubs is the point, yet you claim it would have been...why, I am not sure.

Nor should it have been. The City or State should NOT be in sports or entertainment business, this includes the new DePaul facility. The government owned facilities never seem to make a profit, even though some of them could.

Welcome to 2015, here is your crowd, like it or not, what are you going to do for them.

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/highlight/sorority-girls-welcome-the-dystopic-technological-overlords-while-old-baseball-announcers-balk-in-fear

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"That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." Banky
“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

Haha, I was just going to post that video. It made me miss Bob Brenly.

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Now you are 2-0 as I even said they shouldnt be involved in the DePaul arena. Maybe I am wrong in the end and they hire some management/booking company that only makes money based on the $$ from the concerts, but in my vast experience, management contracts for buildings are a fabulous method of kickbacks....Jerry knows what I mean .Harold Washington Center, State of Illinois Building, DuPage airport. hey, someone has to manage them.....

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"That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." Banky
“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

Because it would have, because that is what happens to all teams now. I have a hard time coming up with any team in pro sports, besides maybe southern hockey teams, that didn't get a sweet deal from the city to stay.

Let me put it another way, if they offered Tom Ricketts $1 to sell Wrigley Field to them, and then they offered him the exact same deal that Jerry has do you think there is any chance in hell that Ricketts takes it? In fact, if Wrigley Field is such a burden then I formally offer Tom Ricketts $1 for Wrigley Field, and I will give him the same deal as Jerry has with the White Sox. You have connections. Can you get me a meeting?

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Nice! If the City allows me to glom half of a couple streets plus a raliroad right-of-way, I'll send a couple crackheads out to sweep too.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Not to pile on, but isn't it pretty common for businesses to clean the area directly in front of their establishment?

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1. The streets around the neighbors are not right in front and when the business isnt operating, no its not common. Oh, and lets not forget the fact that the Bars are ones on the streets,

2. Ricketts would take the same deal jerry got in a second. You think because they get to have 4 concerts a year they wouldnt take the deal? $4.5M a year would be the estimated rent cost, you get $ 5M a year to build whatever you want (like a bar and grill and keep the money from that), you can sell the naming rights and keep the money, you didnt have to put in $500 mill...and the kicker, ALL expenses are on the States bill. The deal would never be offered and Ricketts would take it in a second. Oh and they PAY you for Wrigley on top of all it. Its an amazing deal that would never be offered unless you "OWN" the voting rights of those involved.

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"That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." Banky
“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

So why does he even own the stadium at all?

Tell the city that you are moving to Rosement unless they buy it for $1 and give him the EXACT same deal as Jerry gets. Done deal.

My offer still stands. I will buy Wrigley Field for $1 and give Tom Ricketts the same deal that Jerry gets. Get him on the line!

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So, you pay nothing for Land.....you then get $4.5 mill a year in rent....and you give back $5 Mill a year for annual iprovements. So now, you are down $500K a year.

On top of it, you need to pay all the utiliy bills and expenses of running Wrigley....Another $10 mill a year.

The cubs have the right to deny you use of the park for any reason, as they can claim it effects baseball operations.

They start with a 20 year lease and then can have a series of 10 year options.

The Cubs can sell the naming rights and keep that money.

Addtionally, you need to buy them every available parking lot in the area and they keep that money. You also need to pave them.

Oh, you also need to invest $500 mill to build the new park, clubhouse , building, hotel, etc.

So I estimate you spend about $1 +BILL and then over 50 years and get back $125 mill in rent....

Explain again where this is a GREAT DEAL for you? because you now own the land that is Wrigley Field?

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"That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." Banky
“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

Your numbers seem off. I should be getting about $5-10 million alone every year in ticket sales over 1.9 million.

The lease also indicates that "special events" can be held when they are out of town so I'd do pretty good there also.

I think I could make it work.

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Good luck...I will take the under...and buy the place back when you go bust.

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"That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." Banky
“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

I'd turn it into condos before I went bust.

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Earlier it was stated from Crain's how few events have been held at USCF due to White Sox objections.

Ricketts would never receive the White Sox deal as the state is broke and I'm 100% sure two of these deals can't be financially supported.

Yeah, but they could be told to go screw themselves too.

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The White Sox have contractual rights.



That's a ridiculously tight window to fit an event.

Tom and me may need to lower that a little for me to buy Wrigley Field.

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I have been told that no promoter will have anything to do with the Cell due to the Sox interactions in the events.

On paper the place was designed to be a facility for the use of the State of Illinois...and they had all these money making events that would go down....but in reality, its Jerrys park and he doesn what he wants. I would guess they have to authorize anything that happens there under some crazy clause of "field impact".

It was scam of a deal, some of the people in the scam are now in jail for similar issues.

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"That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." Banky
“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

I get you but after so many years and no ability to do anything about it what is the point?

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