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Are the Cubs a good team?
No, they stink but The Great Joe Maddon has squeezed 97 wins out of them. 50%  50%  [ 3 ]
Yes, they are a very good team with good players who could play for any manager. 50%  50%  [ 3 ]
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Darkside
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the al has the inherent advantage of a dh.

they'll likely always have a higher record in interleague play.

And of course, there's always the fact that the entire leagues stats against an entire league doesn't really tell us anything about which division is the best. Not even sure how that could possibly be related.
Do you really have Division pride?

I would have much preferred the Cubs to compete against the Sox competition this season.

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Darkside wrote:
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the al has the inherent advantage of a dh.

they'll likely always have a higher record in interleague play.

And of course, there's always the fact that the entire leagues stats against an entire league doesn't really tell us anything about which division is the best. Not even sure how that could possibly be related.



Are you suggesting that the NL Central doesn't play in the National League?

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The real key was the way Montero frames pitches.

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Darkside wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Darkside wrote:
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the al has the inherent advantage of a dh.

they'll likely always have a higher record in interleague play.

And of course, there's always the fact that the entire leagues stats against an entire league doesn't really tell us anything about which division is the best. Not even sure how that could possibly be related.
Do you really have Division pride?

I would have much preferred the Cubs to compete against the Sox competition this season.



Considering the Sox competition was 30 games over vs. the Cub competition, that's probably not a great idea unless you want them to lose. Oh wait, you do.

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the al has the inherent advantage of a dh.

they'll likely always have a higher record in interleague play.



Why is that an "inherent advantage"? Do you know half the games are played without the DH?

Yes.

Now that professional AL hitter fills in at 1st or is an above average bench bat. The DH is an abomination and should be abolished.
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The real key was the way Montero frames pitches.


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Are you suggesting that the NL Central doesn't play in the National League?

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Good god man. Yeah, that's exactly what I was suggesting.
This is getting out of hand.

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Kirkwood wrote:
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the al has the inherent advantage of a dh.

they'll likely always have a higher record in interleague play.



Why is that an "inherent advantage"? Do you know half the games are played without the DH?

Yes.

Now that professional AL hitter becomes an above average bench bat. The DH is an abomination and should be abolished.



And in the NL park, AL pitchers who never bat at all get in the box. That seems like a far bigger advantage than having a decent hitter available for a single at-bat, or worse, jamming him in a lineup where his defense lacks.

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Are you suggesting that the NL Central doesn't play in the National League?

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Good god man. Yeah, that's exactly what I was suggesting.
This is getting out of hand.



Then what are you suggesting? The only thing that's out of hand is your arch persona on this board.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Are you suggesting that the NL Central doesn't play in the National League?

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Good god man. Yeah, that's exactly what I was suggesting.
This is getting out of hand.



Then what are you suggesting? The only thing that's out of hand is your arch persona on this board.

What are you talking about? My persona? That I'm daring to tell the almighty JORR that he's wrong? Oh the horror? Someone tells JORR he's wrong! Obviously must take a total asshole to do that. He's never wrong... except in April when prediction time comes around I guess.

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Stupid thread. Dumbassed choices. Typical JORR. It's either ALL MADDON or ALL PLAYERS. Agenda filling bullshit. Of course there's only two crazy extremes! Of course there's no correct answer! Of course he's DEMANDING PROOF of something to which quantifiable data doesn't exist, at least to the extent to which would satisfy him.

This is simple trolling garbage.

Concise and venomous. One of the best posts I've seen on this board.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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the al has the inherent advantage of a dh.

they'll likely always have a higher record in interleague play.



Why is that an "inherent advantage"? Do you know half the games are played without the DH?

Yes.

Now that professional AL hitter becomes an above average bench bat. The DH is an abomination and should be abolished.



And in the NL park, AL pitchers who never bat at all get in the box. That seems like a far bigger advantage than having a decent hitter available for a single at-bat, or worse, jamming him in a lineup where his defense lacks.

that is incorrect.
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I would have much preferred the Cubs to compete against the Sox competition this season.
You just seem pretty fired up about how great the Division is. It just seems like something Elmhurst Steve would do.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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I would have much preferred the Cubs to compete against the Sox competition this season.
You just seem pretty fired up about how great the Division is. It just seems like something Elmhurst Steve would do.

Good effort. Falls short. Sad.

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I would have much preferred the Cubs to compete against the Sox competition this season.
You just seem pretty fired up about how great the Division is. It just seems like something Elmhurst Steve would do.

Good effort. Falls short. Sad.
Oh, it's going to be one of those threads...

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It might just be easier when the Cubs lose.

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Oh, it's going to be one of those threads...

Yes. Has been since OP.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Darkside wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Darkside wrote:
I would have much preferred the Cubs to compete against the Sox competition this season.
You just seem pretty fired up about how great the Division is. It just seems like something Elmhurst Steve would do.

Good effort. Falls short. Sad.
Oh, it's going to be one of those threads...


It's quite obvious that his point was that the Cubs record is even more impressive because of the competition in their division.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Darkside wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
the al has the inherent advantage of a dh.

they'll likely always have a higher record in interleague play.

And of course, there's always the fact that the entire leagues stats against an entire league doesn't really tell us anything about which division is the best. Not even sure how that could possibly be related.
Do you really have Division pride?


S-E-C!

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Darkside wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Darkside wrote:
I would have much preferred the Cubs to compete against the Sox competition this season.
You just seem pretty fired up about how great the Division is. It just seems like something Elmhurst Steve would do.

Good effort. Falls short. Sad.
Oh, it's going to be one of those threads...



That's the Darkside style. When you have no argument act like a cuntbag.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
That's the Darkside style. When you have no argument act like a cuntbag.


Darkside is a member of Sox Subdivision?

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AL Central vs. National League: 61-58
NL Central vs. American League: 58-61

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I never believed a manager is worth just 1 or 2 wins a season. They are much more than that with every lineup and pitching change they make. Bunting or swinging away decisions all factor in with the manager. Where the infield is positioned,OF shallow or deep. There is no way all that = a few games a year.



Except that in about 95% of those situations every guy is going to make the same decisions.


95% of the NL managers didn't bat the pitcher 8th this season. I still hate that.



So maybe they would have won 105 games with a normal manager!


Also, Tampa improved their record this year, without Maddon.

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AL Central vs. National League: 61-58
Including the BP Cup.

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Cubs are a good team with a good Manager. Period.

current state, I would take their roster, manager, and front office over my that of my White Sox.

They haven't won anything yet, but they're sure as hell a lot closer. Just the way it is.

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current state, I would take their roster, manager, and front office over my that of my White Sox.


That doesn't say a whole lot for the Cubs though. You could probably say it about at least fifteen, maybe 20 teams.

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