kissrules73 wrote:
You heard it hear first. Despite a vote of confidence from the Chelsea board. After watching that shit show againt Southhampton (and going to Quigley's to watch the first half). I'm going to say Mourinho doesn't last the season.
Carlo Ancelotti isn't doing anything right now. Would Roman go down that road again if he sacked Mourinho.
yeah what is it with mourinho circa year 3 at most of his stops? i think the only time he lasted over 3 seasons was, what, first go at chelsea? maybe it works out something like this:
YEAR 1) HO-SAY shows up and inherits a team that's at worst top 2/3 in the league (thats how he rolls) and he introduces his revolutionary system of anti-football and results pick up. maybe they win a lesser domestic cup or something, but things are looking to be on the up and up. he delights the media with his willingness to give them imminently quotable material and fans of the team welcome him and his ultimately-anti-football ways because he gets results and there's hope for discipline. any squabbles with players/staff/ownership are seen as a demanding boss expecting excellence from everyone around him and are praised as being part of the deal that you signed up for cuz IT'S WINNING TIME. hell, @ chelsea the first time and at inter he won the domestic league in his first year, not to mention the europa league in his first year with porto, so that gets you hyped up like awwww yeah we're on the virge of greatness! THIS GUY WON THE CL WITH PORTO FFS!
YEAR 2) HO-SAY gets to mold the team in his image and ditches players who don't wanna track back and mark(defend) someone, looking for great workrates. if he's at a huge team he'll get some huge $$$ to do his thing because it's largely seen like IT'S WINNING TIME, and in year 2 he's taken that quality team he's inherited and tricked it out with some big/$$$ additions and everything comes together as the team comes together and wins the domestic league (often with ease.... didn't his RM get 100/+ points at its best?) yeah he has some beef with players/ownership/others but it's largely dismissed and swept under the rug cuz not only are you gonna win your domestic league but you're going to have a legit chance at the CL (which he's done with porto and inter, but not chelsea right? yeah indeed he's good for the CL semis at most short of his two wins) so yeah kumbaya he wins his domestic league in the 2nd year wherever he goes (seriously, look it up) and his schtick peaks with a domestic win and a CL victory or run to the semis. if he wins the CL here (SEE: PORTO/INTER) he leaves on a high note to go to a better/bigger job b4 his shit can stink, but if he sticks around this is where his schtick has peaked.... it's all downhill from here.
YEAR 3) this is where all of his bullshit starts to rise up like the daleks coming up out of the sewer to overtake skaro city in the last episode of doctor who. you can't keep throwing more and more bullshit down there without it eventually amassing to the point where it rises up to ground level. the players who have won big with him last year (if not the last 2 years) start to think that their shit don't stink cuz they did the winning, not HO-SAY, so whatever issues he's had with players come to a head. excepting his run at RM he's usually off to a slower start which likely spells doom for meeting/exceeding the lofty heights/expectations that were achieved last year, so that amps up the pressure and causes him to flip out and start to focus on the bullshit way more than he did in the past. by now ownership is sick of the little napoleonic tyrant and in the case of real madrid even tho they had a 100pt season the year b4 and once again they get to the CL semis but don't pull out back to back la liga titles cuz it was barca's turn (and this was right around the time pep's barca was at its peak, so getting 100pts and winning la liga in 11-12 was indeed !!!) and even b4 the season ended he was saying he was gone because he had seemingly divided the fandom.... here i'll let wikipedia tell you about his demise @ RM:
"In the post-game press conference after the second leg with Dortmund, Mourinho hinted that the 2012–13 season with Real Madrid would be his last, saying "I am loved by some clubs, especially one. In Spain it is different, some people hate me, many of you in this (press) room."[100] Mourinho's fraught relationships with Sergio Ramos and club captain Iker Casillas (a popular player whom Mourinho sidelined in 2013) caused divisions between fans in the "Mourinhistas" and "Madridistas" (the more traditional Real Madrid fans) camps.[99] His relationship with Cristiano Ronaldo became difficult because, according to Mourinho, the player "maybe thinks that he knows everything and that the coach cannot improve him anymore", so was unwilling to accept constructive criticism.[101] Mourinho was also criticised[by whom?] for controversial incidents, including poking Tito Vilanova (then assistant coach at Barcelona) in the eye during a brawl, continual complaints about refereeing bias, clashes with journalists and Real officials, and frequent hints that Barça received favourable treatment from UEFA."
so yeah, when he's actually made it to year 3 at chelsea and RM and now chelsea again, it seems like his bullshit has finally reached critical mass and everyone gets sick of his bullshit. he has slow starts at chelsea and you know that roman doesn't like that (you know how that dude in the movie "snatch" says you never fuck with anyone who owns a pig farm? well IIRC roman owned a pig farming INDUSTRY so yeah you really really dont fuck with him) and the pressure is on, and it seems like when there's serious pressure on HO-SAY from underachieving he's definitely not cut out for that cuz he's essentially a "rolls royce" manager like carlo ancelotti: he shows up when teams are ready to win and takes them over and turns them into glorious anti-football "if we score we win" teams that park the bus and shit on offensive flair in players, especially youth/younger players, cuz he wants guys who are ready to WIN NOW and dont mind parking the bus for 90'+ running around to anti-football it to hell and back. so yeah when pressure is mounting and the slow start dooms his squad to a fate chock full of unthinkable horrors (usually 2nd place) that's when shit gets really really nasty behind the scenes and he might be jettisoned (chelsea) or at least end up a lame duck manager by the end of the year (RM) ---- either way, he reaps what he's sowed and he's definitely sowed the seeds of his departure by amassing all the bullshit over the first 2 seasons, but it's easy to look the other way when you're winning a domestic title and looking to win the CL. once it becomes obvious you're not gonna win your domestic league and lol @ CL (tho avram grant took his 07-08 chelsea team to the CL finals, something he didnt do @ chelsea) well then it's about time for him to go cuz you figure you have the team and you figure that all he did was turn his team into bus parking specialists so bring in literally anyone with a pulse and give them jose's pimped out ride and see if they can win the drag race in a F1 car.
technically jose wasn't won shit other than a supercup/foreign-community-shield in year 3 cuz avram grant took over his 07-08 chelsea team which won the double with the league/FA.... but of course this being chelsea that FA/league cup double and a run to the CL final wasn't even enough to keep avram grant around beyond 07-08 cuz this is chelsea: WIN NOW OR ELSE. yeah.
so now @ chelsea v2.0 entering year 3 for the second time all of the bullshit that's been piling up has reached that critical mass and unlike his previous slow start this one is really damn slow and since the prem isn't as weak as it was last year (or at least city's woke up and improved enough to be a formidable 80something-90something point team) it's not like they can just default to a title unless they go on some sort of a 15 game WINNING streak, not undefeated streak. i mean yeah right now it's october 5th and they're only 10pts out which theoretically isn't impossible, but you have to go on some sort of a crazy winning streak and idk if this chelsea team can do that with costa not being the superstud he was to start off last year, cesc fabregas having one of his horrible 2nd halves starting off in the first half, and eden hazard not stepping up to be in messi/ronaldo tier/class/etc like some deluded blues might have tried to tell you over the last year or two. in the end you're coming down to willian being your only goalscorer, and i dont care what anyone says i swear to god chelsea only got willian because AVB at spurs had him in london for a medical when chelsea called up and stole him away to send AVB a message that he can only get players that chelsea doesnt want cuz if chelsea wants ANY of their targets, even during their spurs' medical, they're going to get them. so they got willian.
and i dont care what you say about willian's quality or class, man, if you didnt sign him maybe you end up giving more time to someone like, oh i dont know, kevin de bruyne? yeah he was a pouty lil bitch @ chelsea wanting some opportunities essentially handed to him, but still when the guy left he did his thing @ wolfsburg and left for 50mil+ after 1 season. there's some fucking quality there that's beyond willian/ramires/oscar/etc..... but chelsea HAD to get willian just to remind AVB of his place as forever in mourinho/chelsea's shadow, so they got willian and there goes de bruyne and really who needs a pouty bitch like him when actually playing turned him into a 50mil+ player? will.i.an. til th day i die!
so yeah TLDR and i'm sure i'll go back and delete this later, but it seems like HO-SAY (jose, but the brits pronounce it HO-SAY) has a 2 year shelf life, cuz that's basically about how long everyone can tolerate his megalomaniacial bullshit and his "mindgames" and all of his dictatorship because they signed a deal with the devil (if not the devil you know @ chelsea) because they say winning is everything and ho-say DOES get results if you give him one of the 3-5 best teams in the world.... but then usually after winning for a year or two everyone gets sick of his shit and thinks "man what do we need him for? we've got the team to win it right here and if we actually let the $$$$players$$$$ play some positive/attractive football not only will they enjoy life that much more but maybe we could be even better? --- and then when year 3 @ chelsea starts off with them shitting the bed to the point of no domestic title and lol yeah right in the CL and ppl were wondering if putting up with jose's shit is worth it even when they're winning, well it's a no brainer that you're not going to put up with his shit when you're falling short of (admittedly lofty) expectations, right?
not to mention there seems to be an effect where 1-2yrs of anti-football bus parking seems to adversely affect players who are then shellshocked and ineffective when chelsea has to overcome a deficit in a game, seeing as they're set up for "if we score we win" 1-0 type games, if you're down 0-2 or even 1-2 after 30-40' chelsea isn't necessarily one to go and get those 3 quick goals consistently enough.... and then this year you've got ho-say making headlines getting rid of chelsea's fuckbuddy doctor eva for doing her job and causing headlines that way, you've got him always sniping at arsene cuz he's gotta be insanely jealous of arsene (cuz arsene is beloved and even tho he doesnt win a trophy for ~10yrs he's still considered a beloved transcendental figure by his club and a lot of his fans.... meanwhile ho-say is merely tolerated ONLY cuz they're winning. so in a sense arsene is the antithesis of ho-say cuz mourinho dreams of being able to be so entrenched as "the man" at a job he could go 10yrs without a major trophy and have no job security issues whatsoever.... if he goes 6 months without a trophy he's pleading for his job in postgame prssers.... yet arsene is a-ok even tho he doesnt even win? wtf? how is that fair?)
and of course, on sunday we saw what an arsene wenger team can do when they get over their usual mental midgetude and play at their peak level.... they absolutely decimated united playing some of the most beautiful football that many have seen in the prem in years and years, hell piers morgan called it the best 30mins of football he's seen in his whole life from arsenal. and what did chelsea do? 1-3 at home vs southampton? yeah welp hey now arsene might be a "specialist in failure" but people wanna have him at the helm of their club for 15-20/+ years..... jose would shock the world if he makes it to year 4 at any club, cuz to do it @ chelsea would mean his team went on that ~15 game WIN streak (NOT undefeated) and overtook a slumping city and not-quite-there arsenal/united to win an easy prem.... cuz while it's only 10pts on oct 5th, that means they have to be at least 11pts better than the #1 team in the prem from here on out which is what, 1 loss tops? maybe 2 losses if they only have 2 or 3 draws? it boggles th mind.
so yeah holy fuck TLDR TLDR TLDR..... but the jose mourinho experience is basically a deal with the devil to take a team on the cusp of winning things and to have them turned into a bus parking anti-football lot to try and grind out some silverware.... and jose does that.... but his methods of managing football teams are prolly the equivalent of his people skills and after a couple years of being an annoying troll who acts like god's gift to football by taking top-3-in-europe teams and forcing them to play cutthroat bus-parking anti-football all the while pissing off everyone to the point of hating him, yeap, once you get your silverware haul and think that he's peaked with his team that's when you start looking for ways out cuz who the hell is gonna wanna spend 10-20+ years with jose mourinho over there cunting up a storm?
and of course, you know jose REALLY wanted to go to manchester united after SAF and start rattling off a bunch of silverware with a team built by SAF and pimped out by jose, and then he figured since they're manutd he could stick around and be a dictator there and maybe he'd get his 10-15+ year run at a club and if he was able to be a consistent winner he could have people start to say he was even better than SAF, cuz at the end of the day jose wants his due as the best football manager in the history of the world.... proven winner with a track record of the highest successes at multiple locations.... but of course, it's all smoke and mirrors and anti-football bus parking and media mindgames and so much bullshit that once teams get a trophy or two or three or 4 with him after a year or two that's pretty much enough for him, and if he can't get out to a better job after year 2 he'll crash and burn in his own way (cuz even tho 12-13 wasn't entirely horrible for RM jose still called it the worst season of his managing career cuz the stars of RM were sick of his shit and in the end he wanted RM to say NO JOSE THE PLAYERS CAN GO YOU'RE THE SPECIAL ONE WHO MAKES RM GREAT SO WE'LL DO WHATEVER YOU WANT CUZ YOU ARE THE MOST PERSON HERE!!!!!!!!! but in reality people aren't buying shirts with MOURINHO/1 on the back of them, they're buying kits with RONALDO/7 on the back of them, and seeing as they won the CL the year after jose left (and LA DECIMA!!! at that) --- yeap, jose wasn't as special as the players he tried to make his bitch.... and you know that kills him.
so basically yeah, after chelsea i reckon jose will have to take a job that's a step down from a top 3/5 club in europe/world and once again prove that he can come in and anti-football his way to the highest heights like he did @ porto..... cuz i can't see buyern or especially barca taking him on, can you?" juve? who's left? man united wouldn't take him if LvG fails would they? hell if mourinho was available would liverpool take him over kult kloppo?
or hell, maybe a national team is next for jose.... that would work, cuz he'll have his ready made all-star-team and he can anti-football his way to a euro/WC.... maybe england would take him on after the woy experience ends cuz they're sure as hell not gonna go out with top english talent and go outplay the world's best sides @ football, so maybe jose comes in and anti-footballs his way to some sort of international glory?
yeah i reckon that's his next stop after chelsea.... how about england? that'd make him the kind of loveable legend for life he's always wanted to be.... win the 2018 WC or euro2020 or even 2022 WC with england and he'll be the kind of legend for life that he's always wanted to be.... he'll be that SAF type that he always wanted to be, and of course he'll finally get one over on wenger because wenger is the antithesis of all things ho-say because he has the kind of love that all the winning in the world can't get ho-say, and in the end that's what he wants.... he just wants to be loved by a huge fanbase as the #1/ish legandary coach for the rest of time, so that's why i think he ultimately takes over england and tries to immortalize himself as "the special one" in his adopted country.
or if he really has a pair of balls and wants to be the super-mega-uber-ultra-legend that would transcend england, go win the world cup with the USA. he'd never do that cuz he couldnt walk in and have a world class side by defauly, but if he won a WC here it'd be even bigger than england IMO, espcially in this new age where ESPN routinely shows euro football scores on the bottomline ticker.
soooo yeah super TLDR but
JOSE FOR ENGLAND BY 2018 thank you and good night and good luck!
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and jose is pissed that cech was able to go above him to roman and get the move to arsenal where he can stay in london (and strengthen a rival.... but hey at least its not like courtois will get hurt or anything, riiiiight? =) and now cesc is doing his 2nd half disappearing act in the first half and KR73 was talking about ivanovic and suddenly john terry is looking very old and chelsea was throwing like 35mil+ at everton for stones so not only have they failed to get him, but they also likely hurt the confidence of guys like cahill and zouma and whoever they grabbed for 4mil cuz if the defending champs are that desperate to get a first team CB what do you think of the ones you've got? eden hazard is supposdly trying to score more and that's got him off of his game, and hey they let schurrle and de bruyne and mata go so they've got oscar and willian there.... but they tried throwing 27mil at cuadrado and that didnt work out as he quietly/meekly went out on loan a 1/2 season later, and now they went and pipped manutd to signing pedro (tho valdes was prolly telling him about the megalomaniacial LvG experience and that didnt help) and i reckon chelsea is going to find out why barcelona was keen to acquire/start alexis sanchez and later neymar and suarez (tho he's more of a striker) when they had pedro the whole time. 
