Congratulations to Jake Arrieta...

Rod · **Posted:** Sun Oct 04, 2015 9:52 am

for completing the second greatest season ever posted by a Cub pitcher. He is surpassed only by the Immortal Dick Ellsworth's 1963 season.

spanky · **Posted:** Sun Oct 04, 2015 10:07 am

Sox fans don't start Cubs threads

Frank Coztansa · **Posted:** Sun Oct 04, 2015 10:12 am

Sure they do.

And Cubs fans start Sox threads.

Rod · **Posted:** Sun Oct 04, 2015 10:17 am

spanky wrote:

Sox fans don't start Cubs threads

I don't have anything better to do. That's a little different than fans of a team who just made the playoffs being more interested in Mark Parent.

spanky · **Posted:** Sun Oct 04, 2015 10:18 am

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

spanky wrote:

Sox fans don't start Cubs threads

I don't have anything better to do.

I admire the honesty

Godfella · **Posted:** Sun Oct 04, 2015 10:26 am

I flipped my Ray Rayner 2-sided hat to the Cubs long enough this morning to salute Jake. Well done, JA and the Northsiders.

I now flip it back to the Sox side to honor the last game of the season. I hope they can put something together in the off season to succeed because they broke the black & white side of my heart this year.

After today, I will flip it around and root root root for the Cubbies because I love Chicago baseball and I hope the Blue faithful truly enjoy Wednesday and beyond. I am truly happy for the Cubs Diehards.

Terry's Peeps · **Posted:** Sun Oct 04, 2015 10:28 am

Except Kirkwood.

I hope he suffers forever.

bigfan · **Posted:** Sun Oct 04, 2015 10:43 am

Frank Coztansa wrote:

Sure they do.

And Cubs fans start Sox threads.

Nobody cares about this issue more than Frank, not really sure why?

IMU · **Posted:** Sun Oct 04, 2015 10:47 am

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

spanky wrote:

Sox fans don't start Cubs threads

I don't have anything better to do. That's a little different than fans of a team who just made the playoffs being more interested in Mark Parent.

Real Time Sports. There are a few episodes of a top notch TV show on today.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

for completing the second greatest season ever posted by a Cub pitcher. He is surpassed only by the Immortal Dick Ellsworth's 1963 season.

Dick Ellsworth had a decent career, just sayin.

Rod · **Posted:** Sun Oct 04, 2015 11:36 am

One Post wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

for completing the second greatest season ever posted by a Cub pitcher. He is surpassed only by the Immortal Dick Ellsworth's 1963 season.

Dick Ellsworth had a decent career, just sayin.

Thirteen year career with two winning seasons. 10.2 WAR in '63 though.

Frank Coztansa · **Posted:** Sun Oct 04, 2015 4:25 pm

bigfan wrote:

Frank Coztansa wrote:

Sure they do.

And Cubs fans start Sox threads.

Nobody cares about this issue more than Frank, not really sure why?

Maybe you should ask your Cub fan brethren why they care so much? viewtopic.php?f=33&t=96433

Terry's Peeps · **Posted:** Sun Oct 04, 2015 4:26 pm

Frank Coztansa wrote:

bigfan wrote:

Frank Coztansa wrote:

Sure they do.

And Cubs fans start Sox threads.

Nobody cares about this issue more than Frank, not really sure why?

Maybe you should ask your Cub fan brethren why they care so much? viewtopic.php?f=33&t=96433

312player · **Posted:** Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:19 pm

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

for completing the second greatest season ever posted by a Cub pitcher. He is surpassed only by the Immortal Dick Ellsworth's 1963 season.

Does this mean that Sale didn't have a better season?

Frank Coztansa · **Posted:** Mon Oct 05, 2015 8:15 am

viewtopic.php?f=33&t=96446

good dolphin · **Joined:** Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm **Posts:** 82152

Terry's Peeps wrote:

Except Kirkwood.

I hope he suffers forever.

He married yet?

One Post · **Joined:** Fri Oct 24, 2008 10:28 am **Posts:** 4034

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

One Post wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

for completing the second greatest season ever posted by a Cub pitcher. He is surpassed only by the Immortal Dick Ellsworth's 1963 season.

Dick Ellsworth had a decent career, just sayin.

Thirteen year career with two winning seasons. 10.2 WAR in '63 though.

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

I know it's irrational though. Alexei has had a decent career. Russell would do okay duplicating it.

Alexei career WAR 22.6.

Ellsworth career WAR 23.3

So which is it, either Ellsworth had a decent career or Alexei didn't?

You can't have your bullshit both ways.

Rod · **Posted:** Wed Oct 07, 2015 6:37 am

One Post wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

One Post wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

for completing the second greatest season ever posted by a Cub pitcher. He is surpassed only by the Immortal Dick Ellsworth's 1963 season.

Dick Ellsworth had a decent career, just sayin.

Thirteen year career with two winning seasons. 10.2 WAR in '63 though.

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

I know it's irrational though. Alexei has had a decent career. Russell would do okay duplicating it.

Alexei career WAR 22.6.

Ellsworth career WAR 23.3

So which is it, either Ellsworth had a decent career or Alexei didn't?

You can't have your bullshit both ways.

WAR isn't a real thing. In fact, "experts" can't even agree on what WAR is.

You're very tense. The pressure is building toward 19:08 this evening.

IMU · **Posted:** Wed Oct 07, 2015 6:48 am

WAR is most certainly a real thing.

Frank Coztansa · **Posted:** Wed Oct 07, 2015 6:51 am

Comparing pitchers to shortstops is always a smrt thing.

Rod · **Posted:** Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:03 am

IMU wrote:

WAR is most certainly a real thing.

Only in that it exists.

8675309 · **Posted:** Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:12 am

I can't get enough....tries so hard but always stumbles.

LIKE my Band https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSedE5sU3uc

Frank Coztansa · **Posted:** Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:19 am

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

IMU wrote:

WAR is most certainly a real thing.

Only in that it exists.

This reads like a Jaden Smith tweet.

IMU · **Posted:** Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:20 am

And in that they are widely accepted and used as metrics to judge players' impact to a team's effort. Sure, bWAR and fWAR differ, and I have my preferred metric, but they are close enough that either can give you a fairly accurate answer as to 'who might be helping a team win more.' WAR used by itself may not be the answer, but thst is the case with any stat or metric.

Rod · **Posted:** Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:25 am

IMU wrote:

And in that they are widely accepted and used as metrics to judge players' impact to a team's effort. Sure, bWAR and fWAR differ, and I have my preferred metric, but they are close enough that either can give you a fairly accurate answer as to 'who might be helping a team win more.' WAR used by itself may not be the answer, but thst is the case with any stat or metric.

No, in that they are subjective numbers masquerading as objectivity. Just because they are fashionable doesn't lend them credibility.

I've been told that "clutch" did not exist by SABRmetricians for ten years, but now they have developed a stats that shows the "clutchness" of Anthony Rizzo.

It's all horseshit. You know who the good players are. Dick Ellsworth sucked. Alexei Ramirez is decidedly average. Mike Trout is great. I don't need dueling WARs to figure that out.

Anyway, even if you think WAR is the greatest thing since sliced bread, comparing WAR numbers over a career is pretty silly. Ellsworth amassed almost half of his in a single season.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

You're very tense. The pressure is building toward 19:08 this evening.

Chill, Bro Torre. It's all good.

IMU · **Posted:** Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:35 am

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Anyway, even if you think WAR is the greatest thing since sliced bread, comparing WAR numbers over a career is pretty silly. Ellsworth amassed almost half of his in a single season.

So?

Career home runs still count as a total even if someone hit way more of them in one year than any of the others.

Congratulations to Jake Arrieta...

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