MLB/Joe Torre

Terry's Peeps · **Posted:** Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:19 pm

spanky wrote:

spmack wrote:

Sometimes I think some of you argue just for the sake of it....it was clearly dirty.

See?
Listen to camps. The CSFMB voice of peace and agreement.

FavreFan · **Posted:** Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:19 pm

My only real thought on this is that it's not as "clear" as either side is trying to make it sound, which I think is backed up by the debate here and nationally over the play. I also don't know shit about the rules of baseball, written or not, so I can't really say one way or the other.

Kirkwood · **Posted:** Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:21 pm

The slide can be interpreted a few ways I guess.

The suspension can't. It's dirty and wrong.

Darkside · **Posted:** Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:22 pm

Kirkwood wrote:

When if ever has a player been suspended for a "dirty" slide to 2nd?

If you intentionally throw at a batter, charge the mound, bump an umpire, throw a punch, bang on the opponents clubhouse door, etc you know you'll likely face a suspension.

There is literally not one instance I can think of a slide earning a suspension.

So, we'll start now?

Insanity.

No one was suspended for beating a woman in an elevator before either before this season. Does that mean that beating a woman into unconsciousness in an elevator shouldn't result in a suspension?

spmack · **Posted:** Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:23 pm

Terry's Peeps wrote:

spanky wrote:

spmack wrote:

Sometimes I think some of you argue just for the sake of it....it was clearly dirty.

See?
Listen to camps. The CSFMB voice of peace and agreement.

Even I had to :lol:

at that one.

leashyourkids · **Posted:** Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:23 pm

Kirkwood wrote:

The slide can be interpreted a few ways I guess.

The suspension can't. It's dirty and wrong.

I honestly don't care whether it was "dirty". I, like favrefan, don't really understand the rule, and would like to know if it was legal.

leashyourkids · **Posted:** Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:24 pm

And the suspension doesn't mean shit now. That's of little consequence to the Mets who lost the game because of the play. If it was illegal, it should have been addressed during the game.

redskingreg · **Posted:** Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:25 pm

Too bad he didn't get a concision with that attempt at a "slide"

rogers park bryan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm **Posts:** 81625

The rule should be you can slide as hard or late as you want as long as your leading hand or foot is in line to get to the base

The sliding 2-3 feet to the right is ridiculous

It was a dick play but the rule is very flimsy and I cant blame a guy for testing the limits

spanky · **Posted:** Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:51 pm

rogers park bryan wrote:

I cant blame a guy for testing the limits

From now on, you can.

KDdidit · **Posted:** Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:59 pm

Kirkwood+Brian McCann=match

Kirkwood · **Posted:** Sun Oct 11, 2015 10:10 pm

I don't have a strong opinion about the slide's cleanliness. I think it's dirty but technically not illegal. But if my interpretation is wrong and it's illegal I won't argue.

I do care about MLB handing a 2-game suspension because a guy broke his leg and New York media/fans cried.

KDdidit · **Posted:** Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:08 am

No it's always been illegal but never been enforced. When Albert Belle gave a flying forearm to Fernando Viña's chest/neck/head in the middle of the basepath nothing happened.

GoldenJet · **Posted:** Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:25 am

Absolutely dirty and should have resulted in an immediate double play call. Suspension is warranted due to the injury caused.

I'm glad the Cubs didn't get Utley.

312player · **Posted:** Mon Oct 12, 2015 2:08 am

Dirty play..but If Tejada doesn't get hurt its not an issue and nobody is talking about it. You can't levy a suspension just because someone got injured.

Frank Coztansa · **Posted:** Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:01 am

Terry's Peeps wrote:

His hand literally passed right over the bag.

But didn't touch the bag. Also party of what makes it dirty. If he started his slide literally 12" sooner this would be a non issue regardless of any injury Tejada might have had.

IMU · **Posted:** Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:10 am

Where was the outcry here? No suspension. Coghlan is further from the bag.

Baserunners are taught to disrupt the turn no matter what. This is why every former position player has backed Utley. Utley isnt the problem...MLB / the system is.

Terry's Peeps · **Posted:** Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:12 am

The only reason for the suspension is Tejada's injury.

Frank Coztansa · **Posted:** Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:13 am

We're talking about this in the other thread; viewtopic.php?f=92&t=96596&start=50#p2334139

Coghlan is actually reaching for the bag, Utley did not. Coghlan is sliding what looks to be like at least 3-4' BEFORE the bag. Utley did not.

IMU · **Posted:** Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:14 am

Frank Coztansa wrote:

We're talking about this in the other thread; viewtopic.php?f=92&t=96596&start=50#p2334139

Coghlan is actually reaching for the bag, Utley did not. Coghlan is sliding what looks to be like at least 3-4' BEFORE the bag. Utley did not.

Utley is closer to the bag. I don't know if either ever touches it...on phone and not wanting to pull up video yet. I'll check out other thread.

Terry's Peeps · **Posted:** Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:14 am

So it's strictly a timing thing?

Kirkwood · **Posted:** Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:18 am

Terry's Peeps wrote:

The only reason for the suspension is Tejada's injury.

Exactly.

MLB is clueless as usual.

Kirkwood · **Posted:** Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:19 am

Might as well have this a rolling thread given MLB's competition to surpass NFL in general incompetence.

Cards vs Cubs Game 4....3:37 PM

NICE!!!!!

Rod · **Posted:** Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:23 am

leashyourkids wrote:

From an ABC article:

"A comment in the Official Baseball Rules to Rule 5.09 (a) (13) says umpires could have called an inning-ending double play if they decided Utley had gone outside the baseline and interfered with Tejada fielding the throw.

"The objective of this rule is to penalize the offensive team for deliberate, unwarranted, unsportsmanlike action by the runner in leaving the baseline for the obvious purpose of crashing the pivot man on a double play, rather than trying to reach the base," the comment says. "Obviously this is an umpire's judgment play."

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/ ... e-34399733

But you've never, ever seen that called, have you?

There are many instances where the actual game of baseball isn't played or called in accordance with the written rules. We can start with the strikezone.

It seems like some guys in this thread are talking about the way things should be rather than they way they have always been. And there's no problem with that. spanky's point about replay's effect on the neighborhood play is well taken. If a runner isn't allowed to crush an infielder the neighborhood play is unnecessary.

My issue is the sudden and arbitrary enforcement in a crucial situation. It's reminiscent of Merkle's "boner".

Kirkwood · **Posted:** Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:25 am

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

My issue is the sudden and arbitrary enforcement in a crucial situation. It's reminiscent of Merkle's "boner".

Bingo

GoldenJet · **Posted:** Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:35 am

Kirkwood wrote:

Might as well have this a rolling thread given MLB's competition to surpass NFL in general incompetence.

Cards vs Cubs Game 4....3:37 PM

NICE!!!!!

Today's game is at 5:07

Hawg Ass · **Joined:** Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:00 pm **Posts:** 30335

Terry's Peeps wrote:

The only reason for the suspension is Tejada's injury.

Eggszactly

leashyourkids · **Posted:** Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:06 am

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

From an ABC article:

"A comment in the Official Baseball Rules to Rule 5.09 (a) (13) says umpires could have called an inning-ending double play if they decided Utley had gone outside the baseline and interfered with Tejada fielding the throw.

"The objective of this rule is to penalize the offensive team for deliberate, unwarranted, unsportsmanlike action by the runner in leaving the baseline for the obvious purpose of crashing the pivot man on a double play, rather than trying to reach the base," the comment says. "Obviously this is an umpire's judgment play."

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/ ... e-34399733

But you've never, ever seen that called, have you?

There are many instances where the actual game of baseball isn't played or called in accordance with the written rules. We can start with the strikezone.

It seems like some guys in this thread are talking about the way things should be rather than they way they have always been. And there's no problem with that. spanky's point about replay's effect on the neighborhood play is well taken. If a runner isn't allowed to crush an infielder the neighborhood play is unnecessary.

My issue is the sudden and arbitrary enforcement in a crucial situation. It's reminiscent of Merkle's "boner".

No, but it should be. You could then eliminate the neighborhood rule and stop having people break their fucking legs unnecessarily. I've never been a fan of trying to kill the shortstop on double plays. If you can't drill catchers, you shouldn't drill a guy with no gear who is trying to make an athletic play.

Hatchetman · **Posted:** Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:07 am

Elizabeth Warren needs to be MLB commissioner. The players need to be protected.

Kirkwood · **Posted:** Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:08 am

GoldenJet wrote:

Kirkwood wrote:

Might as well have this a rolling thread given MLB's competition to surpass NFL in general incompetence.

Cards vs Cubs Game 4....3:37 PM

NICE!!!!!

Today's game is at 5:07

Today's game is Game 3.

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