I haven't said a bad word about the Cubs during the postseason. It's sad what you've always been, a guy who likes to agitate and then act like butter won't melt in his mouthwhen he's called out. Don't be such a fucking jerk. If you want to have a conversation about the vast differences in decisions you seem to believe various managers make I'd listen. But you can't do that so you run around the board taking little shots like a dick and then you get angry when you get it back.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

You didn't have to. You said they won't make the postseason a few times. Own it.


What? That makes no sense.


No you wouldn't.


I'm not remotely angry with you. I'm enjoying our interactions. Did you look at the poll results? You're not doing well. And you're the one calling me names and acting angry. I'm happy.

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"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014

Cubs made a mistake firing Ricky Renteria as Manager and hiring Joe Maddon.


Fuck yes Managers matter. Leaders are very important to any organization.

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CSFMB 2014 Nascar Pick 'em Champion

We don’t have a trillion-dollar debt because we haven’t taxed enough; we have a trillion-dollar debt because we spend too much. — Ronald Reagan

Maddon matters a great deal for now. Whether it works long term as these players age we will see.

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Okay. So the point of this poll was what? To find out how many people ahare your opinion? To martial a micromob? Don't be so disingenuous.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Managers matter. Not a lot, but they do.

That said thus Cubs team is on such a roll right now, an idiot like Scooter or Elmhurst Steve could be filling out the lineup card and this team would still be in the nlcs.

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The point was to see if anyone would agree that managers do not matter. No one did.

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"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014

But if no one can explain when, how, and, why they matter, no one's opinion on who is "good" or "bad" is worth a damn. Fans call a guy a "bad manager" because the actually believe they know what to do better than a big league manager. Think of how silly that really is.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

You must have several people on ignore.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

It's been explained several times.

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"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014

Thats just ridiculous. Managers do more than what you see on TV.

Do you really think that a couple of CSFMB knuckleheads could manage a Major League Baseball team?
Come on Man...

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CSFMB 2014 Nascar Pick 'em Champion

We don’t have a trillion-dollar debt because we haven’t taxed enough; we have a trillion-dollar debt because we spend too much. — Ronald Reagan

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No difference at all 0% 0% [ 0 ]

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"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014

It hasn't. What does a good manager do that a bad one doesn't besides win?

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Make good game decisions. Manage his pitching changes. Provide leadership to his team. Manage his bullpen. Choose his sports to bunt or to swing away. Research patterns. Choose his coaches properly. Develop players. Be a father figure. Shine a shit.

Some managers have a way of doing these things. You just seem to think that the players are just who they are because of who they are. Others think that players become who they are with outside influences.

You can have all the raw talent in the world. You can be the finest paint in the world, but without the right artists hands on the brush you're just paint.

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"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014

You shouldn't have to explain this to a Baseball fan.

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CSFMB 2014 Nascar Pick 'em Champion

We don’t have a trillion-dollar debt because we haven’t taxed enough; we have a trillion-dollar debt because we spend too much. — Ronald Reagan

Don't just give me a fuckin job description. That doesnt answer the question.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Then you'll never have an answer. What more could you possibly want.
Nothing will satisfy you ever.

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"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014

I don't want you to say "a good manager handles his pitching staff good". I want you to explain what that means. Tell me a guy you think is a good manager and what specifically he does different than a bad one.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

It matters but its hard to quantify

- Magic shows
-Animal Acts
-Disco Balls
-Make terrible music into a team chant

SKILLS

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"That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." Banky
“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

It depends on the situation.
A good manager called two suicide squeezes in an inning this series. It was perfect. The perfect call. A "doesn't make a difference manager" swings away with his talented hitter perhaps. Perhaps that hitter flies out. Or strikes out. You'd say the manager made no difference. The hitter fucked up. But maybe the outcome is different if the manager has the sack to call for an unexpected play rather than just letting the players do what the players do.

Perhaps a good manager goes against the popular thinking and goes with Strop knowing the cards hit him well. And he performs.

Supposedly tonight the cards manager called a pitch that was hit hard by the Cubs pitcher. Did a bad management decision affect the outcome of that at bat?

I'm shocked that you see no value in leadership. I can't believe that you would think that decades of experience at the head of a team is meaningless to you. You look at the Marlins Cubs series of 2003 and you don't think that mckeon managed the pants off Dusty.

Your opinion is that the manager just fills out a lineup and sits back and then has zero influence on the outcome of the game. Makes no sense.

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"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014

Stop with the Bernstein schtick!

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Proud to be UNVERIFIED.

No shit.

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CSFMB 2014 Nascar Pick 'em Champion

We don’t have a trillion-dollar debt because we haven’t taxed enough; we have a trillion-dollar debt because we spend too much. — Ronald Reagan

That's only good management if it works. If the bunt ends up in a double play, no one is saying it's genius.

And I've never said leadership doesn't matter. But it's difficult to define. Ozzie Guillen was the same guy in Miami as he was with the 05 White Sox. And he had the favorite. Was his leadership different? Who knows? Anyway, I think leadership from a player is much more meaningful. Guys like Rizzo, Konerko, Pedroia lead their teams.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

So neither of you have anything pertinent to add. You just want to bludgeon me with your unsupported opinions. At least Darkside is making an effort.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

OK, its worked, so he is a good manager, I am glad we agree.

Next stop NLCS.

#FOCUS

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"That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." Banky
“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

Dude. No one is saying that it's GENIUS.
The point, again, is that management MATTERS. The guy made the right call and he won the game with those safety squeezes. It mattered. And if it failed and they lost.... it mattered.

And who is to say ozzie was the same guy? Maybe he isn't. Maybe he grew or changed a philosophy. Maybe he wasn't bale to adapt to different personnel. So even if he's the same the situation isn't. A penguin might not be at home in Texas. Same penguin that was comfortable in the south pole. He never changed. Why shouldn't he still succeed in texas?

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"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014

Will never have a quaintified measuring stick for the manager, but I can sit down with you for hours and give you tons of stuff I like that Joe Maddon does very well.

Happy he is here.

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"That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." Banky
“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

How can anyone argue differently after Maddon played his bullpen like a stradivarius in this series!

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