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Hendry's soggy computer > Theo's supercomputer

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Jimmy, don't be one of these dopes. Come on Man...Hendry's Cubs were 15 years behind the times regarding scouting & the minor league system. Theo's Cubs organization, scouting & minor league system are the envy of damn near every MLB team.
This organization is built for long term sustainable success.

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I think Jimmy's being facetious, Scorehead.


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Peoria Matt wrote:
I think Jimmy's being facetious, Scorehead.


You think you know me? :lol:

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Peoria Matt wrote:
I think Jimmy's being facetious, Scorehead.


You think you know me? :lol:

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My apologies.


You are a dope.


Now I've got both sides covered.


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Peoria Matt wrote:
I think Jimmy's being facetious, Scorehead.


I know. But Jimmy was against Theo and the plan. So was Grobber. Wait...so maybe Jimmy is a Grobber Mult???

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Hendry's Cubs were 15 years behind the times regarding scouting & the minor league system. Theo's Cubs organization, scouting & minor league system are the envy of damn near every MLB team.


Ricketts would love us to believe both of those things.

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Hendry was by far the best Cubs GM since 1907 and 1908.

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Hendry did a good job in getting Derek Lee and Aramis Ramirez from teams that could not afford to keep them as they were approaching free agency, for players that really did very little. He signed some free agents that worked out and some that failed miserably. Under his leadership, the team increased the payroll by leaps and bounds and became one of the higher payroll teams. He didn't draft particularly well, nor develop talent all that well. He hit on Prior, but he was considered by many the #1 player in the draft. He only got Prior because the Twins didn't want to deal with Boras and decided to sign the local kid- Mauer.

Theo took a team with a terrible farm system and dramatically overhauled it through the draft and by trading veterans for prospects, as well as signing international prospects. He hasn't hit on every single move and the signing of Edwin Jackson has to be considered a terrible move, but overall he has done a masterful job. The Cubs have just begun the period in time where enough of the young players have developed to allow the team to contend. The next 5-6 years at least, should be years that the team contends. Which free agent starting pitcher or pitchers he decides to sign will greatly impact the teams chances to win championships in the next few years. To judge Theo completely at this point is impossible. He has done a great job rebuilding the farm system. The team has a deep and power laden offense. But who will he play in CF if Fowler leaves with Almora and Martinez not yet ready to man CF? Will Bryant move there temporarily? Or does he sign a stop-gap guy for CF? What pitchers does he sign? Decisions, decisions... They will be very good, better I believe. But if he makes the right moves, maybe Champions. If he makes the wrong ones probably not. He finally has a team to work with, money for free agents (thanks to over 27 million extra revenue from the playoffs) and prospects to deal, should he elect to make trades with them. Now, he is finally in a position to do things besides stocking the minor leagues.

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Elmhurst Steve wrote:
He hit on Prior, but he was considered by many the #1 player in the draft.


The same could be said of Bryant. Either Hendry and Epstein both get credit, or neither do.

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Jaw Breaker wrote:
Elmhurst Steve wrote:
He hit on Prior, but he was considered by many the #1 player in the draft.


The same could be said of Bryant. Either Hendry and Epstein both get credit, or neither do.


What about Schwarber? What about the trades that brought Russell, Arrieta, Fowler, Rizzo, Coghlan, Montero, and Strop? What about the international signings including Soler ? Many more in the minor leagues that will be up in a year or two, including Almora, Martinez and Torres to name a few that may take on major roles with the team. Theo has done a hell of a lot more. Hendry signed a lot of free agents. 2 very different approaches. Theo's has a lot better chance for sustained success.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Hendry was by far the best Cubs GM since 1907 and 1908.

Wrong. Dallas Green is the right answer.


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Scooter wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Hendry was by far the best Cubs GM since 1907 and 1908.

Wrong. Dallas Green is the right answer.


Actually, I agree he was better than Hendry. If Green had another couple years.....

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Hard to give anyone credit for a top 5 pick in any draft... seems more like you just get blame if you miss.

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Hard to give anyone credit for a top 5 pick in any draft... seems more like you just get blame if you miss.


Schwarber was a guy many saw going around #20 or later. Theo took him at #4 and now looks very smart for making that decision.

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I see Theo reach for Schwarber and many criticized him for it.....

I saw Hendry reach for Hayden Simpson, who many didnt even have as a first rounder.

Schwarber is showing All Star potential and Simpson is cleaning gutters.

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and my favorite Hendry move MILTON BRADLEY.

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Elmhurst Steve wrote:
newper wrote:
Hard to give anyone credit for a top 5 pick in any draft... seems more like you just get blame if you miss.


Schwarber was a guy many saw going around #20 or later. Theo took him at #4 and now looks very smart for making that decision.


Yeah, I should restate that -- hard to give anyone credit for making a pick in the top 5 that is a consensus rating pick. For example, we don't give tons of credit for picking Kevin Durant, but we give blame (sort of) for picking Greg Oden.

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You have to hit on top 5 picks. if you dont, you should lose your job.

1st round picks, no matter what level, should play MLB level at some point.

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You have to hit on top 5 picks. if you dont, you should lose your job.

1st round picks, no matter what level, should play MLB level at some point.


I agree, with the obvious exception being picks that suffer injuries that prevent them from ascending to the major leagues.

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Let's not anoint Schwarber yet...he is seeing fewer and fewer fastballs. Let's hope he can adjust. And who knows where he ends up defensively.

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They lost that one.

Bad example.


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Jaw Breaker wrote:
Scorehead wrote:
Hendry's Cubs were 15 years behind the times regarding scouting & the minor league system. Theo's Cubs organization, scouting & minor league system are the envy of damn near every MLB team.


Ricketts would love us to believe both of those things.


The Cub being behind the times is an undisputed fact at this point isn't it?

Wasn't the word on Hendry (while a nice guy by all accounts) that he actively shot down or turned away from anything analytical? The reports of him having someone scour the intranet and then hand print outs to the staff to stay "in the know" regarding trade rumors and transactions is laughably scary. And although this comes off as bashing him, I think it was just more a case of a dinosaur whose time had passed him by.

How do you think the Philly faithful feel hearing his name rumored for their open GM gig?


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Hendry's Cubs were 15 years behind the times regarding scouting & the minor league system. Theo's Cubs organization, scouting & minor league system are the envy of damn near every MLB team.


Ricketts would love us to believe both of those things.


The Cub being behind the times is an undisputed fact at this point isn't it?

Wasn't the word on Hendry (while a nice guy by all accounts) that he actively shot down or turned away from anything analytical? The reports of him having someone scour the intranet and then hand print outs to the staff to stay "in the know" regarding trade rumors and transactions is laughably scary. And although this comes off as bashing him, I think it was just more a case of a dinosaur whose time had passed him by.

How do you think the Philly faithful feel hearing his name rumored for their open GM gig?


Yes. Hendry wanted nothing to do with modern analytics & metrics, & the Cubs as an organization were waaaay behind most other clubs & their minor league system was shit.

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Elmhurst Steve wrote:
Jaw Breaker wrote:
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He hit on Prior, but he was considered by many the #1 player in the draft.


The same could be said of Bryant. Either Hendry and Epstein both get credit, or neither do.


What about Schwarber? What about the trades that brought Russell, Arrieta, Fowler, Rizzo, Coghlan, Montero, and Strop? What about the international signings including Soler ? Many more in the minor leagues that will be up in a year or two, including Almora, Martinez and Torres to name a few that may take on major roles with the team. Theo has done a hell of a lot more. Hendry signed a lot of free agents. 2 very different approaches. Theo's has a lot better chance for sustained success.


I'd would have to wait until after November 1 to appropriately address this as I am refraining from negativity . The majority of what you say is refutable.

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