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Scorehead

Post subject: Re: Mets @ Cubs game 4 NLCS

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:22 pm

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rogers park bryan wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

None of this second-guessing matters. The Cubs were down 3-0 and will lose this series, and there was no amount of managerial moves that would have prevented it. The Mets have beat them in every possible way.

Disagree. A lot closer than the 19-4 run differential

Huh? This series has been a complete ass whooping. It feels exactly like a 19-4 ass whooping to me.

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Post subject: Re: Mets @ Cubs game 4 NLCS

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:24 pm

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man of few opinions wrote:

donspiracy wrote:

man of few opinions wrote:

well im just glad our 20 million dollar playoff stud got his extra days rest, he will be nice and fresh for spring training.

I will play along. What would be your starters for Games 5-7?

down 3-0 in the NLCS, i go lester today, because it is a must-win. if they win today, i go arrietta tomorrow on 3 days rest, because it is a must-win game. then they take an off day and go to new york. then, since both lester and arrietta are at that time are CLEARLY unavailable, it is time for a "bullpen" game where you have to do what you have to do in a must-win game. wood, cahill, hendricks, whatever you have to do inning by inning because you have no choice. then, if you are somehow lucky enough to get to game 7, you give the ball to your 20-million dollar man for the start and it is all hands on deck after that.

Thank you for clearing that up. :shaking:

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Post subject: Re: Mets @ Cubs game 4 NLCS

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:24 pm

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The rooftops are evil until MLB/TBS wants to use them as a promotional tool.

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Post subject: Re: Mets @ Cubs game 4 NLCS

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:24 pm

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Don't you have to PH for wood there? You're down to your last 20 some outs of the season, can't be wasting them on a pitcher.

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Elmhurst Steve

Post subject: Re: Mets @ Cubs game 4 NLCS

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:25 pm

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Scooter wrote:

Elmhurst Steve wrote:

Matches Malone wrote:

There sure seems to be a disconnect between Hammel and Maddon. Hammel didn't even acknowledge him during the pitching change. Can't see Jason coming back next year with that type of rift.

I think this was Hammel's final start as a Cub. I think they will sign a top of the rotation starter as well as either signing or trading for a #3-#4 type. Hendricks will be the 5th starter, with Wood and Richard also given the opportunity to battle for that spot. But Hammel will be traded for a prospect, or in a package that brings back a better starter.

If one is here Hendricks bullpen at best but neither is on roster opening day 2016.

Well, Haren is gone and if we agree Hammel is gone, that already leaves 2 spots in the rotation to fill. If you also trim Hendricks, you need 3 starters. I don't see that happening. I think they sign a really good starter as well as signing or trading for another less heralded starter. but Hendricks is young and was better down the stretch, so I think he's back to battle Wood and Richard for the 5th spot in the rotation.

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Post subject: Re: Mets @ Cubs game 4 NLCS

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:25 pm

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donspiracy wrote:

man of few opinions wrote:

well im just glad our 20 million dollar playoff stud got his extra days rest, he will be nice and fresh for spring training.

I will play along. What would be your starters for Games 5-7?

Hershiser started games 1,3 and 7 with a relief appearance in 4. That's what a number 1 does when it counts.

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Post subject: Re: Mets @ Cubs game 4 NLCS

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ditto

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Post subject: Re: Mets @ Cubs game 4 NLCS

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:26 pm

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rogers park bryan wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

Disagree. A lot closer than the 19-4 run differential

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rogers park bryan

Post subject: Re: Mets @ Cubs game 4 NLCS

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:26 pm

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We must be watching different series. Cubs have been pretty solid, the randomness of a short series is rearing its ugly head

It could easily be 2-1 Cubs with a bounce here or there

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man of few opinions

Post subject: Re: Mets @ Cubs game 4 NLCS

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Scooter wrote:

Scorehead wrote:

man of few opinions wrote:

well im just glad our 20 million dollar playoff stud got his extra days rest, he will be nice and fresh for spring training.

Yea, no shit. Lester should have been begging to start tonight.

I'm so fucking pissed off right now. I know the Cubs weren't supposed to be this good this year and that next year is the year the organization was targeting as their year, but maybe making a move at the deadline for a starter would have helped. Then again, the hitting and fielding has been garbage too.

Regardless, this year has been fun as hell and I'm glad to jump back on the Cubs fan bandwagon for the first time in about 7 years. This team will be back. Wait 'til next year!

Why would Lester start tonight? They got beat by a hotter,better team. Start Lester tonight so Hammel or another fuckhead gets beat later. Why? Go into next season with 4 starters instead of 2 they will address this in the winter.

why? because id like to think the cubs would pull out all stops to win this game and not just say "fuck it, its over, " like you apparently did.

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Scorehead

Post subject: Re: Mets @ Cubs game 4 NLCS

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:27 pm

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:

donspiracy wrote:

man of few opinions wrote:

well im just glad our 20 million dollar playoff stud got his extra days rest, he will be nice and fresh for spring training.

I will play along. What would be your starters for Games 5-7?

Hershiser started games 1,3 and 7 with a relief appearance in 4. That's what a number 1 does when it counts.

Exactly.

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Elmhurst Steve

Post subject: Re: Mets @ Cubs game 4 NLCS

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

The rooftops are evil until MLB/TBS wants to use them as a promotional tool.

Since Ricketts bought 4 of those buildings (or is it 6 now? I know they were working on #5-6 already) I doubt we hear much more of that narrative.

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Post subject: Re: Mets @ Cubs game 4 NLCS

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:28 pm

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since when did pitching on 3 days rest in the playoffs become such a radical, unacceptable idea? the history of baseball is loaded with pitchers pitching on short rest in the playoffs.

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Rod

Post subject: Re: Mets @ Cubs game 4 NLCS

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:30 pm

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Elmhurst Steve wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

The rooftops are evil until MLB/TBS wants to use them as a promotional tool.

Since Ricketts bought 4 of those buildings (or is it 6 now? I know they were working on #5-6 already) I doubt we hear much more of that narrative.

Are you saying the rooftops are great if they share an owner with the Cubs?

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rogers park bryan

Post subject: Re: Mets @ Cubs game 4 NLCS

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:31 pm

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Hammels was the right call. It just didnt work out

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Zippy-The-Pinhead

Post subject: Re: Mets @ Cubs game 4 NLCS

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rogers park bryan wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

Disagree. A lot closer than the 19-4 run differential

It's not an either or proposition. You can criticize the managers decisions even if the results wouldn't have changed.

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Post subject: Re: Mets @ Cubs game 4 NLCS

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:32 pm

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rogers park bryan wrote:

Hammels was the right call. It just didnt work out

you got the second part right, and at the end of the day that is all that matters.

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Post subject: Re: Mets @ Cubs game 4 NLCS

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:32 pm

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While were at it, I've had enough of TBS's shitty coverage, producton, and announcers. Ernie and Cal are fucking terrible. Camera work is terrible.

Fucking fuck.. Fuck it. Fuck.

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Post subject: Re: Mets @ Cubs game 4 NLCS

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:34 pm

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Jonny boy would've had the ignominy of losing 3 post season games had he started tonight.

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rogers park bryan

Post subject: Re: Mets @ Cubs game 4 NLCS

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:34 pm

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Scorehead wrote:

While were at it, I've had enough of TBS's shitty coverage, producton, and announcers. Ernie and Cal are fucking terrible. Camera work is terrible.

Fucking fuck.. Fuck it. Fuck.

I think by and large TBS has been great

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Post subject: Re: Mets @ Cubs game 4 NLCS

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:34 pm

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rogers park bryan wrote:

Hammels was the right call. It just didnt work out

Lol, everyone knew it wasn't going to work, even the manager.

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Scorehead wrote:

While were at it, I've had enough of TBS's shitty coverage, producton, and announcers. Ernie and Cal are fucking terrible. Camera work is terrible.

Fucking fuck.. Fuck it. Fuck.

I'm pretty sure the Mets fans are enjoying the coverage.

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Scooter

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I approve of this season and they deserve credit for all they have done this season. Been a fun ride. They got beat by a better team at this juncture.

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Matches Malone

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rogers park bryan wrote:

Hammels was the right call. It just didnt work out

I know it's hindsight and it sounds crazy to say, but I wonder if any serious consideration was given to dropping Hammel for Haren this round?

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man of few opinions

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well enough of that, lets see if they can get something going and score a few runs here.

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Zippy-The-Pinhead

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rogers park bryan wrote:

Hammels was the right call. It just didnt work out

Why? You're #1b pitcher can't start in Wednesday after pitching on Saturday? Why wouldn't you want your best available pitcher on the mound?

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Matches Malone wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Hammels was the right call. It just didnt work out

I know it's hindsight and it sounds crazy to say, but I wonder if any serious consideration was given to dropping Hammel for Haren this round?

Would have been lucky to get five solid innings out of either of those guys.

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rogers park bryan wrote:

I think by and large TBS has been great

Yeah, I don't think they're too bad. Turner doesn't do as well as they do with the NBA, but they're solid. I just can't believe they're in their ninth year now and still no one has been able to disabuse them of the notion that anyone anywhere cares what Cal Ripken Jr. has to say. They made the same mistake with Tony Gwynn because they wanted to have the two good-guy HOFers on their crew, but Tony bailed them out by dying.

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donspiracy wrote:

Scorehead wrote:

While were at it, I've had enough of TBS's shitty coverage, producton, and announcers. Ernie and Cal are fucking terrible. Camera work is terrible.

Fucking fuck.. Fuck it. Fuck.

I'm pretty sure the Mets fans are enjoying the coverage.

No way even a Mets fan could enjoy listening to Ernie and Cal.

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rogers park bryan

Post subject: Re: Mets @ Cubs game 4 NLCS

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:39 pm

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Hammels was the right call. It just didnt work out

Why? You're #1b pitcher can't start in Wednesday after pitching on Saturday? Why wouldn't you want your best available pitcher on the mound?

There are metrics youve never heard of that indicate it was the prudent move

Its all random

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